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Date: Wed Dec 23 07:01:54 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. UNITED DUO BANNED FOR BORO CLASH
2. Fergie could go for upwardly mobile Moyes
3. THE 365 CHRISTMAS Q & A: RYAN GIGGS
4. PRESTON DETERMINED TO KEEP MOYES
5. Let's fill up Beasant's sack on Boxing Day
6. Re: Two questions
7. Manchester United Reserves + Junior Teams Pontins/FA Premier Academy U-17/U-19
8. Re: Self fulfilling prophecy by "Our Salford Lass"
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Daily RED Trivia Wed 23rd December 1998:
23/12/1911: United beat Bolton Wanderers 2-0 at Old Trafford in a Division 1 game
watched by 20,000. Harold Halse and Sandy Turnbull scored the goals. Team
was: Edmonds, Linkson, Stacey, Duckworth, Roberts, Bell, Meredith, Halse,
West, Turnbull, Wall.
1962: Terry Gibson born in Walthamstow. Signed from Coventry City for £600,000,
Gibson made his debut at Liverpool in February 1986. The diminuitive striker
scored just 1 goal in 27 appearances between 1986-87 before moving on to Wimbledon.
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Barry Daily Comment:
Enjoy the Ryan Giggs interview in todays news bulletin!
Have a RED Christmas
http://www.iol.ie/~redcafe/kidd.htm
Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
Remaining 1998 games:
ALL Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm
Sat 26/12 Nottm Forest (H) PL 15.00
Tue 29/12 Chelsea (A) PL sky sports time 19.45 UK
UNITED Stats v All teams:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/08/98 Leicester City Home D 2-2 11 55,052
22/08/98 West Ham United Away D 0-0 11 26,039
09/09/98 Charlton Athletic Home W 4-1 9 55,147
12/09/98 Coventry City Home W 2-0 5 55,193
20/09/98 Arsenal Away L 0-3 10 38,142
24/09/98 Liverpool Home W 2-0 3 55,181
03/10/98 Southampton Away W 3-0 2 15,251
17/10/98 Wimbledon Home W 5-1 2 55,265
24/10/98 Derby County Away D 1-1 2 30,867
31/10/98 Everton Away W 4-1 2 40,079
08/11/98 Newcastle United Home D 0-0 3 55,174
14/11/98 Blackburn Rovers Home W 3-2 2 55,198
21/11/98 Sheffield Wednesday Away L 1-3 2 39,475
29/11/98 Leeds Home W 3-2 2 55,172
05/12/98 Aston Villa Away D 1-1 2 39,241
12/12/98 Tottenham Hotspur Away D 2-2 1 36,079
16/12/98 Chelsea Home D 1-1 2 55,159
19/12/98 Middlebrough Home L 2-3 3 55,152
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Champions League:
Group D P W D L F A Pts
Bayern Munich 6 3 2 1 9 6 11
Man United 6 2 4 0 20 11 10
Barcelona 6 2 2 2 11 9 8
Brondby 6 1 0 5 4 18 3
Dec 9 Brøndby 0-2 Barcelona
Dec 9 Man Utd 1-1 Bayern Munich
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CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE QUARTER-FINAL DRAW
Manchester Utd v Inter Milan
Real Madrid v Dynamo Kiev
Juventus v Olympiakos
Bayern Munich v Kaiserslautern
Ties to be played on March 3 and 17
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BREAKING NEWS - Tuesday 22 December 1998
Subject: UNITED DUO BANNED FOR BORO CLASH
David Beckham has joined Gary Neville in the sin bin for Manchester
United's FA Cup third-round clash with Middlesbrough at Old Trafford.
Beckham will sit out the tie on January 3 because he will be serving
a one-match ban after he picked up his fifth booking of the season,
ironically in the 3-2 defeat against Boro on Saturday.
Neville had already been ruled out of the game after he went past the five
cautions mark when he was shown the yellow card against Chelsea last
week.
The England defender is also banned for United's Boxing Day match against
Nottingham Forest at Old Trafford, following his sending off at
Tottenham on December 12.
Meanwhile Preston are refusing to comment on reports which claim
Deepdale boss David Moyes is been lined up by Alex Ferguson to become
his new assistant manager.
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More.............. Suspensions
Reds' cruel Yule! BY STUART MATHIESON
BALANCING ACT . . . David Beckham in action on Saturday
MANCHESTER United are set for a double FA Cup blow with the loss of David
Beckham and Gary Neville through suspension.
United will have to avenge Saturday's 3-2 Premiership defeat by
Middlesbrough in the Cup at Old Trafford on January 3 without their two
England internationals.
Two yellow cards in a week against Spurs and Boro have brought Beckham's
cautions up to five this term which will trigger an automatic one game ban
once it is confirmed by the FA, under their new disciplinary procedure.
Saturday's booking means he's set to miss the third round of the FA Cup.
Gary Neville will join him following his booking against Chelsea last
midweek. Neville was sent off at Spurs last weekend and will miss the
Boxing Day game with Nottingham Forest this Saturday but his caution
against Chelsea has now added a further one match suspension.
Jim Ryan was elevated on Saturday against Middlesbrough from his job as
stand-in assistant to first team boss due to a family bereavement in Alex
Ferguson's family. Fergie was in Scotland with his brother Martin, who is
United's European scout, following the death of Martin's wife.
The Reds' manager is not expected to be make a decision on the man who'll
replace Brian Kidd as his new No 2 until well into the New Year but Ryan
won't be disappointed if he goes back to his old role as reserve team manager.
``I am enjoying being the assistant but I am not worked up about it one way
or another,'' says Jim.
``I think the reserve job I do, is quite important and the boss thinks I am
capable of doing it and he has to consider a lot of other factors. The
reserves and Academy teams are leading their leagues at the moment so you
have to be mindful of the disruption to them.''
Meanwhile, Blackburn Rovers have denied reports that they've made a £7m bid
for United midfielder Nicky Butt.
"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"
Subject: Fergie could go for upwardly mobile Moyes
Tuesday, December 22, 1998
Preston's emerging manager Dave Moyes is the surprise name being considered
by Manchester United boss Alex Ferguson as his new No.2 at Old Trafford.
Ferguson was stunned by former assistant Brian Kidd's move to Blackburn and
says he will take his time in appointing a replacement. He has compiled a
short-list and Moyes is believed to be on it.
Moyes - a Scot like Ferguson - caused a few raised eyebrows when he was
named Preston's manager in January following the departure of Gary Peters.
Moyes had worked his way up through the coaching ranks at Deepdale to
become Peters' assistant. Yet, Second Division Preston appeared to favour a
big name as their new boss, with Welsh international Ian Rush among the
stars being courted.
Instead, Preston turned to Moyes and they have not looked back since. He
has rejuvenated the famous Lancashire club's fortunes and turned them from
relegation fodder into promotion contenders with a series of impressive
performances that have lifted them to fourth place in Division Two. His
coaching skills have caught the eye of Ferguson and insiders at Preston are
bracing themselves for an approach from Old Trafford.
Preston will soon be in the headlines for other reasons when Double holders
Arsenal begin their defence of the FA Cup at Deepdale in the third round
next month.
Ferguson is currently operating with United reserve team coach Jimmy Ryan
as his No.2 and the former winger was left in complete charge for
Saturday's 3-2 home defeat by Middlesbrough with Fergie absent because of a
family bereavement.
But Ryan is thought to be happier working with the younger players, helping
to maintain the flow of brilliant talent through the club.
That leaves Ferguson still searching for Kidd's replacement and he could
surprise everyone by going for Moyes, a name not widely known in
Premiership circles.
While Ferguson's own contract at Old Trafford has another 18 months to run,
his natural successor - United old boy Bryan Robson - is under lock and key
at Middlesbrough.
Robson recently signed a lucrative five-year agreement at the Riverside,
with his assistant Viv Anderson ready to follow suit. And he feels a bond
of loya
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Subject: THE 365 CHRISTMAS Q & A: RYAN GIGGS
Giggs On Injuries, The Reason He'd Rather Play For Wales Than
England (Honest) And Why It's Time For United To Stop The
Excuses And Win The Champions League
He's no longer Old Trafford's most talked-about
player, or even its No.1 heart-throb (these days it's
Nicky Butt, of course) but the Welsh winger is
arguably the most vital cog in Manchester United's
New Year assaults on the Premiership and
Champions League. Football365 met a man
determined to put niggling injury behind him and
bring back the silverware and the certainty to a
newly self-doubting club...
You've had a bit of a stop-start season so far,
Ryan. Niggly injuries have held you back a bit...
It's been frustrating. I've been lucky inasmuch as I
haven't had any serious injuries, touch wood, but
I've picked up things that have kept me out for
three or four weeks. Once you're out of your
stride, it makes it hard to get match fitness back
again. It's not too hard in the first couple of games
because you're really glad to be back, you're keen
and the adrenaline will get you through. But a
couple of games in you start lagging a bit and you
tend to lose a bit of your sharpness.
So what can you do about it?
Not a lot, really. I had problems with my hamstring
last season. It started off with me just missing a
game here and there, but in the end I pulled it
completely and was out for about six weeks. That's
probably the worst injury I've had. But to prevent it
you've just got to keep stretching every day, which
I do.
You've been plagued by hamstring trouble. Do you
think it's anything to do with your style of play?
I do. It's two things, really. Both the way I play and
the way I'm built make me more prone to
hamstring injuries than other people. It's because I
do so many sprints in a game. I'm making
box-to-box runs from defence to attack all the time
so yeah, I'm probably more prone to injury than
players in a lot of other positions.
So the speed thing's the real problem?
Yes - and the lack of recovery time when you're
playing Wednesdays and Saturdays. Every game's
important now and with Champions League
matches on top that's a lot of pressure on your
body. So yes, it is hard.
You missed out on the most important games in the
Champions League last season through injury. How
frustrating was that?
Very frustrating. You always want to play, and I've
hated being out of action this season. But it's not as
bad if the team is winning and this time we've been
getting good results. Last year was disappointing.
We had a break from December to March in the
Champions League, so I was gutted to get the
injury a couple of weeks before things started up
again.
When you have been playing though, your form's
been good, hasn't it?
I've been quite happy with it over the last couple of
years. I think my game's developed a lot more,
which I suppose it's bound to do with experience.
Even though I've been for playing six or seven
years I'm still a young lad and playing in a few
different positions over the last couple of years has
been good for me. It's the same with anyone in any
job. The more experienced you get, the better you
become.
What about the players around you? How good is
the current side compared to the other United
teams you've played in?
I think potentially it could be the best team I've
ever been involved with. Individually we've
probably got better players than we've ever had.
It's just up to us to turn those skills into a team
performance. It's always hard when you get two or
three new players coming in over the summer. It
usually takes a while for them to blend in. Look at
Liverpool. They've got quality players, but you need
your quality players to work as a team. Getting that
blend is the key. Truthfully, I think the best team
I've ever played in up to now was the 1994 team,
but I think this side has the potential to be better.
We've got the talent and we're still very young too.
How much has Dwight Yorke added to the side?
Oh a lot, definitely. He's settled really quickly.
Because he's a striker people are always going to
look at how many goals he's scored, so it's been
good for him that he's done so well on that score.
But that's not all he's contributed. He's made goals
as well.
And he seems to have a great personality...
He's very Caribbean, laid back. Just chilled really.
Nothing bothers him. A couple of weeks ago he got
hit full in the face with the ball and he still got up
smiling. That's just the way he is. He's good to have
around.
Is there more determination in the side to win
something this season after last year's
disappointment of ending up with nothing?
We're always determined, but this season is
definitely a test of character. We've more or less
dominated over the last six years, but when we
have lost the title - to Blackburn, Leeds and Arsenal
- we've always bounced back the next year and
done well. It's a test of character for this side to
see if we can come back and win the league, but I
think that kind of test will be good for us.
Youhave dominated the domestic game over the
last few years, but the European Cup still eludes
you...
That's true, but I don't see any reason why we
can't win it this time. In the last couple of years
we've had injuries which affected us, but this time
we've really got a strong squad of players. We've
got two or three people in each position now, so we
can't make any excuses about not having a big
enough squad or about injuries. We should go all
the way really.
You believe it's time for United to put aside the
excuses, then?
I think it is. We've got everything in our favour. A
lot of the young lads who came in a few years ago
now play for England, so they've got valuable
experience. The players who've come in - Jaap
Stam and Jesper Blomqvist - have got experience
of playing in Europe too. So we're as well prepared
as anyone.
You mentioned the England lads there. A lot of
people, of course, wish that you were wearing the
white of England rather than the red of Wales.
Well that's as maybe, but I want to play for Wales.
I want to play for Wales and I want to qualify for
major championships just like anyone else. More
than anyone else. I think if anyone watched me
play for Wales they'd see how much I want to play
for my country. Captaining my country has been
one of the highlights of my career There's no bigger
honour.
But don't you ever feel frustrated at international
level? Realistically Wales will always be also-rans...
It's tough and it's getting harder all the time for
countries like Wales. The way that teams are
seeded these days means we're getting put in
groups with teams like Denmark, Italy and
Switzerland, all top nations. If we get a few injuries
we haven't got the resources of other countries.
Mind you though, if we can put our best side out,
then we've got a team that's capable of beating
anyone.
Is English domestic football getting stronger?
I think it is. When you have quality players like
Bergkamp, Stam and Zola in the league, then things
can't help but improve. And it still looks as if good
young lads are coming through. There are a lot of
youngsters getting into the England squad these
days, so it's a healthy situation all round.
There are always plenty of young lads coming
through at Old Trafford too. Do you ever feel under
pressure for your place?
Yeah. I've never taken it for granted that I'm going
to be playing. You go on form. The last couple of
years I've felt like I've deserved to play every time,
but now that Jesper Blomqvist's here, a real left
winger, there's real competition. In the last couple
of years we haven't had a left winger, apart from
Ben Thornley who left last year, so there's a little
bit of added pressure now. If you have two or
three bad games, then someone's there ready to
take your place.
So with that kind of strength in depth, are United
capable of lifting two or three trophies this season?
I think that's difficult. To do that you need an
element of luck, especially in cup games. In the last
couple of years we've been beaten by Barnsley and
Wimbledon in cup competitions. Anyone can beat
you on the day. I think it's more realistic to look at
the League and the Champions League. I'd love to
do well in the Champions League, to go all the way
this year. And after getting beaten by Arsenal for
the title last season, I really want to prove that
we're still the best and win the League again.
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Subject: PRESTON DETERMINED TO KEEP MOYES
Preston will block any moves by Manchester United
to take manager David Moyes to Old Trafford as
Alex Ferguson's new right-hand man. North End
chairman Bryan Gray revealed there has been no
contact from United following reports claiming
Moyes was on Ferguson's short-list. Gray is
determined to hold on to Moyes, who has turned
the Second Division club around during his
11-month reign at Deepdale, and claims he would
rebuff any approach.
''I would not agree to it but I think we're talking
about things which are hypothetical,'' he said.
''There has been no contact, and I'm not expecting
any from them to be honest. It's flattering for
David, but there's nothing happening."
Moyes reportedly thought it was a joke when he
was told about the speculation - “I know nothing
about it" he said yesterday - and he would certainly
be a surprise choice to fill the void left at United by
Brian Kidd's departure to Blackburn. Having won a
Scottish championship medal with Celtic at the start
of his career, the 35-year-old, who still plays in
defence for Preston reserves, has spent most of his
career being successful in the lower divisions. He
arrived at Preston as a player five years ago and
played in two play-off campaigns and a
championship-winning season before becoming
assistant to Gary Peters.
Like Ferguson, Moyes hails from Glasgow and
although he has never worked with the United
manager, he is well-known on the Scottish coaching
circuit. He spent the summer with Scotland at
France 98, his brother was chief scout at Rangers,
he is working with three former United reserve
players Preston bought from Ferguson last season
and he played with David Beckham when he was on
loan at Deepdale in 1995.
Moyes has transformed the club, now they are
riding high in fourth place in Division Two with the
mouth-watering prospect of an FA Cup third-round
home tie against Arsenal to look forward to in the
New Year. He has done it all with virtually the same
players, having sold just one player - for £500,000 -
and bought another for £25,000. Acting United
number two Jim Ryan, who is also the reserve team
coach, remains in the frame to replace Kidd, but he
appeared to rule himself out of the running when
he claimed it might cause too much disruption at the
club to make his appointment permanent.
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Subject: Let's fill up Beasant's sack on Boxing Day
I agree with an earlier corrrespondent in that Ferguson should
sort out an assistant as soon as possible. It is no coincidence
that the last game we won was Leeds, when Kidd was still in
situ. He was quoted as saying there was no hurry. The results
in December suggest otherwise.
There is an uncertainty about the club which needs to be dealt with.
The takeover saga has destablised the whole ship, and much work
has to be done, and fast on the playing side. Big money buys are
ruled out for the forseeable future, so some disciplined defending
and grafting has to be hammered out in training with the existing
squad.
Schmeichel is no longer commanding his area, and this is causing
uncertainty in front of him. He is becoming the much-derided
continental-style keeper who stays on his line when crosses come in.
Whether this is due to lingering injury, lack of confidence, or the
consequence of the howler in Munich I do not know.
The individual errors at the back have to stop. Those who lose
possession up the pitch and just stand with hands on hips, or
wait for the ball to come to them instead of competing need a
good rocket up the backside.
George Best is not renowned for talking sense, but his misgivings
of an ongoing squad rotation policy hold some water. Are the players
who come in busting a gut for a regular place? Are those 'rested'
fresh and willing when they return? Does the perming of the back
four add to the uncertainty and lack of cohesion? It is very easy to
hide behind having a big squad and cover for all positions,, but are
we getting the best out of it?
Nottingham Forest on Boxing Day offer a great opportunity to put
things right, and hopefully with a confidence-boosting win.
Paul Hinson (email p.l.hinson@ais.salford.ac.uk)
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Subject: Re: Two questions
Tony Smith's two questions certainly set me thinking. I can't come up with
an answer for who the ex-Aldershot player is, but I'll hazard a guess about
the most depressing result. I know what my own most depressing United
result was (more of that in a moment), but since Tony's obviously looking
for something a bit farther back in time, I'll suggest a couple of defeats
by Third Division teams from my primary school days. The first was by
Norwich at home in the Cup in the late 60's and the other was by Villa in
the semi-final of the League Cup just before Christmas 1970 (the final nail
in Wilf McGuinness's managerial coffin). I can still picture Andy Lochead
jumping above Ian Ure to score their first goal.
My own lowest ebb came in the home defeat by Sheffield Wednesday on a Sunday
afternoon in April 1986. Here was a United side clearly going nowhere,
losing to two goals by Carl Shutt on a dreadful Old Trafford surface. The
10 wins in-a-row form of October had long since disappeared and the
imminence of Mark Hughes's departure had cast a cloud over the team for
months. I can't remember the line-up off hand, but for some reason Mark
Higgins sticks in my mind in connection with this game. It may also have
been the occasion of Terry Gibson's infamous open goal miss. Robson's
injury worries were at their worst, Whiteside's career was in a trough, Gary
Bailey's days were numbered due to injury, the new players (Davenport,
Gibson and Gibson) were struggling - it seemed that the whole team was in
crisis. The pitch and the sleepy Sunday atmosphere only added to the
depression. It's games like these that keep me counting my blessings
nowadays.
Paul O'H
pohare@dis.n-i.nhs.uk
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Subject: Re: Two questions
Tony asked:
>Second, a question that occurred to me in the car tonight. I wondered what
>was the most depressing result of a United match ever. I can think of quite
>a few obviously: Losing the league in 92; losing cup semi-finals (especially
>1970); 5-1 at City; Arsenal last season; Dortmund the year before. But I
>reckon there is one game that will be remembered by those who were around as
>the most depressing ever. It will be interesting to see if our over-45s
>mention it. (And I'm not referring to 1958, which goes without saying, and
>wasn't a tragedy because of a football result.)
I can remember two European Cup semis - the first in 67 against Partizan
Belgrade when they came - defended and conquered.
After the game I walked around by the railway side of the ground and was
confronted by two deliriously happy Yugoslavs who shouted over "cock of the
North eh?". No-one mustered a response, we all felt utterly dejected.
I then caught a bus into Manchester and sat opposite a young lad whose face
I'll never forget. He looked as pissed off as I felt - so bloody pissed off
I felt that even if the ground opened up and the bus drove down to hell I
couldn't be more pissed off. He may well remember my face in the same way
as both of them were practically on the floor.
The second semi was against the Italians in 69 when I was again on the
Stretford and saw Law's 'goal'. I mean the ball crossed the line by a good
few inches. Unfortunately the ref decided he'd rather have the Rolex and we
went out.
The thing that pisses me off in retrospect is that I could have gone to
both those Finals had United made it, but I couldn't go to Wembley - don't
even ask............
And now I'm really pissed off again and I was having quite a good day -
thanks Tony and merry bloody christmas mate ;-)
Oh and by the way I haven't got a clue what the first answer is!
Paul
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Subject: Manchester United Reserves + Junior Teams Pontins/FA Premier Academy U-17/U-19
Bookmark: http://www.red11.org/mufc/pontin.htm
Updated 21/12/98 by Paul Hinson
97-8 98-9
AUGUST
Thu 20 SUNDERLAND (H) - 0-0
SEPTEMBER
Wed 2 ASTON VILLA (H) 1-0 4-0 (Wilson 2, Jaszczun og, Greening)
Sat 5 Everton (A) 2-3 2-0 (Cruyff, Greening)
Thu 17 BIRMINGHAM CITY (H) 2-0 3-2 (Sheringham 2, Cruyff)
Fri 25 Liverpool (A) 2-2 2-0 (Notman, Cruyff)
OCTOBER
Thu 1 NOTTINGHAM FOREST (H) 1-1 1-0 (Cooke)
Wed 14 BLACKBURN ROVERS (H) 2-2 3-2 (Greening 2, Wilson)
NOVEMBER
Tue 3 STOKE CITY (H) 4-2 4-1 (Notman, Wilson, Greening, Wood)
Mon 16 Leicester City (A) - 6-2 (Greening 3, Wilson, Clegg, Wellens)
DECEMBER
Wed 2 Leeds United (A) 0-3 1-5 (Sheringham)
Thu 17 Sunderland (A) - 0-2
JANUARY
Wed 6 Aston Villa (A) 1-0
Tue 19 DERBY COUNTY (H) 2-1
FEBRUARY
Wed 3 Birmingham City (A) 2-0
Mon 8 Preston North End (A) 6-1
Tue 23 Nottingham Forest (A) 1-0
MARCH
Wed 3 LIVERPOOL (H) 0-1
Mon 15 Blackburn Rovers (A) 1-3
Mon 22 Stoke City (A) 2-1
Sat 27 EVERTON (H) 7-0
APRIL
Wed 14 LEICESTER CITY (H) -
Wed 28 LEEDS UNITED (H) 1-1
TBA PRESTON NORTH END (H) 5-2
TBA Derby County (A) 4-0
First 3 and last 3 Home fixtures at Old Trafford,
Kick-off 7pm.
Remainder at Gigg Lane, Bury, Kick-off 7.00.
All Saturday fixtures Kick-off 2pm.
Fixtures subject to alteration.
Appearances and Goals 1998-99 (up to and including 24/11/98)
Henning BERG 1 0
Russell BEST 0+1 0
Jesper BLOMQVIST 3 0
Wes BROWN 2 0
Nicky BUTT 2 0
Chris CASPER 2 0
Luke CHADWICK 0+1 0
Michael CLEGG 9 1
Andy COLE 1 0
Terry COOKE 6+1 1
Jordi CRUYFF 5 3
Nick CULKIN 2 0
John CURTIS 5 0
Ryan FORD 2+1 0
Jonathan GREENING 8+1 8
Paul GIBSON 3 0
David HEALY 0+2 0
Danny HIGGINBOTHAM 3 0
Ronny JOHNSEN 1 0
David MAY 5 0
Philip MULRYNE 5 0
Erik NEVLAND 4+2 0
Alex NOTMAN 4 2
John O'SHEA 3 0
Lee ROCHE 2+1 0
Teddy SHERINGHAM 2 3
Michael STEWART 1 0
Dominic STUDLEY 1 0
Paul TEATHER 4+2 0
Raimond VAN DER GOUW 5 0
Ronnie WALLWORK 7+1 0
Richard WELLENS 4+1 1
Mark WILSON 8+1 5
Jamie WOOD 0+3 1
Jaszczun (Aston Villa) 1 og
Pontins League Premier Division
Results from last week:
Aston Villa 1 Leicester City 1
Leeds United 1 Blackburn Rovers 0
Derby County 0 Everton 3
Sunderland 2 UNITED 0
All facts and figures updated by
Paul Hinson P.L.Hinson@ais.salford.ac.uk
Webmaster barry@www.red11.org
PONTINS PREMIER LEAGUE
P W D L F A Pts
UNITED (2) 11 8 1 226 14 25
Sunderland (-) 12 7 3 225 9 24
Everton (7) 12 6 4 216 10 22
Nottingham Forest (11)10 4 3 312 7 15
Aston Villa (4) 12 4 3 517 16 15
Blackburn Rovers (3) 11 4 3 414 14 15
Leeds United (1) 10 4 2 414 14 14
Birmingham City (5) 13 3 5 515 18 14
Leicester City (-) 12 3 3 614 26 12
Liverpool (10) 7 3 2 210 8 11
Stoke City (6) 10 2 2 69 18 8
Preston North End (9) 8 2 2 47 17 8
Derby County (8) 10 1 3 68 16 6
Last seasons position in brackets
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Manchester Senior Cup
JANUARY
Tue 12 MANCHESTER CITY (H)
FEBRUARY
Thu 11 BURY (H)
MARCH
Wed 10 Oldham Athletic (A)
Wed 31 Bury (A)
APRIL
Tue 6 Manchester City (A)
Wed 21 OLDHAM ATHLETIC (H)
Venues/Kick-off times to be decided.
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Manchester United FA Premier Academy U-19
SEPTEMBER
Sep 5 West Ham United (A) 0-3
Sat 12 DERBY COUNTY (H) 1-1 (Healy)
Sat 19 WATFORD (H) 2-4 (O'Shea, Chadwick)
Sat 26 WIMBLEDON (H) 4-0 (Healy 3, Chadwick)
OCTOBER
Sat 3 FULHAM (H) 4-0 (Healy 3, Evans)
Sat 17 Manchester City (A) 4-1 (Evans, Healy, Clegg, Daly og)
Sat 24 EVERTON (A) 1-0 (Knowles og)
Sat 31 LIVERPOOL (H) 1-1 (Healy)
NOVEMBER
Sat 7 Bolton Wanderers (A) 2-1 (Wheatcroft, Ryan)
Sat 14 Blackburn Rovers (A) 1-5 (Fitzpatrick)
Sat 21 ASTON VILLA (H) 4-0 (Notman 3, Chadwick)
Sat 28 CREWE ALEXANDRA (H) 2-1 (Howard, Fitzpatrick)
DECEMBER
Sat 12 MANCHESTER CITY (H) 1-0 (Fitzpatrick)
JANUARY
Sat 16 Liverpool (A)
Sat 30 BOLTON WANDERERS (H)
FEBRUARY
Sat 13 BLACKBURN ROVERS (H)
Sat 20 Aston Villa (A)
Sat 27 Crewe Alexandra (A)
MARCH
Sat 6 Crystal Palace (A)
Sat 20 BRISTOL CITY (H)
Sat 27 Sheffield Wednesday (A)
TBA EVERTON (H)
Home fixtures played at the Cliff, Lower Broughton, Salford
Appearances and Goals 1998-99 (up to and including 21/11/98)
Luke CHADWICK 12+1 3
George CLEGG 8+2 1
Stephen COSGROVE 4 0
Wayne EVANS 6+3 2
Ian FITZPATRICK 9+1 3
David HEALY 6+1 9
Jason HICKSON 0+2 0
Kirk HILTON 6+1 0
Joshua HOWARD 3 1
Mark LYNCH 2 0
Allan MARSH 0+1 0
Alex NOTMAN 1 3
John O'SHEA 9+1 1
Paul RACHUBKA 13 0
Lee ROCHE 12 0
Stephen ROSE 7 0
Michael RYAN 6 1
Michael STEWART 10+1 0
Dominic STUDLEY 6+3 0
John THORRINGTON 7 0
Richard WELLENS 2 0
Paul WHEATCROFT 8+2 1
Lee WHITELEY 0+2 0
Daly (Manchester City) 1 og
Knowles (Everton) 1 og
Top of Group A (up to and including 30/11/98)
FA Premier Academy League Under-19
P W D L F A Pts
UNITED 12 7 2 3 26 17 23
Crewe Alexandra 12 7 2 3 19 12 23
Everton 12 6 2 4 17 16 20
Liverpool 10 5 3 2 18 8 18
Aston Villa 12 5 2 5 27 27 17
Blackburn Rovers11 5 0 6 17 15 15
Manchester City 10 2 2 6 8 20 8
Bolton Wanderers12 2 2 8 16 32 8
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Manchester United FA Premier Academy U-17
SEPTEMBER
Sep 5 West Ham United (A) 2-1 (Walker, Webber)
Sat 12 DERBY COUNTY (H) 4-0 (Szmid, Muirhead, Rose, McDermott)
Sat 19 WATFORD (H) 2-1 (Wood, Muirhead)
Sat 26 WIMBLEDON (H) 5-0 (Webber, Grogan, Wood, Lynch, Davis)
OCTOBER
Sat 3 FULHAM (H) 9-0 (Webber 5,Davis,McDermott,Lynch,Whiteman)
Sat 17 Manchester City (A) 2-0 (Davis, Webber)
Sat 24 EVERTON (H) 3-2 (Webber, McDermott, Davis)
Sat 31 LIVERPOOL (H) 2-2 (Lynch, Molloy)
NOVEMBER
Sat 7 WIMBLEDON (A) 1-1 (Webber)
Sat 14 Blackburn Rovers (A) 2-0 (Webber, Davis)
Sat 21 ASTON VILLA (H) 5-0 (Webber 2, McDermott, Davis, Samuels og)
Sat 28 CREWE ALEXANDRA (H) 1-1 (Webber)
DECEMBER
Sat 12 MANCHESTER CITY (H) 4-0 (Webber 2, Davis, Molloy)
JANUARY
Sat 16 Liverpool (A)
Sat 30 Tottenham Hotspur (A)
FEBRUARY
Sat 13 BLACKBURN ROVERS (H)
Sat 20 Aston Villa (A)
Sat 27 Crewe Alexandra (A)
MARCH
Sat 6 Crystal Palace (H)
Sat 20 BRISTOL CITY (H)
Sat 27 Sheffield Wednesday (A)
TBA Everton (A)
Home fixtures played at Littleton Road, Salford
Appearances and Goals 1998-99 (up to and including 21/11/98)
CLARK 2 0
James DAVIS 9+1 7
Ashley DODD 1 0
Kevin GROGAN 3+2 1
Mark LYNCH 11 4
Alan MCDERMOTT 10 3
Allan MARSH 1 0
Eric MOLLOY 6+2 2
David MORAN 12 0
Ben MUIRHEAD 11 2
Michael ROSE 13 1
SAMPSON 0+2 0
Mark STUDLEY 12 0
Gareth STRANGE 11 0
Marek SZMID 13 1
Joshua WALKER 8+1 1
Danny WEBBER 11 16
Lee WHITELEY 1 0
Marc WHITEMAN 3+3 1
WILLIAMS 0+2 0
Neil WOOD 5+2 2
Samuels (Aston Villa) 1 og
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Subject: Re: Self fulfilling prophecy by "Our Salford Lass"
At 15:13 22/12/98 +0000, Idlan wrote:
>Is Schmikes off form, or is it time for him to vacate his throne for new
>blood?
In my humble opinion, the answer to both questions is a resounding "no".
I believe that two things are happening:
The back four in front of him is never the same one game to the next.
Whereas he could rely on his defence in the past he no longer can. Sitting
where I do in Old Trafford, I am behind Peter and I see the mistakes that
have left him isolated, often he has done very well to parry an impossible
ball before it goes into the net, often he has got his fingertips to a ball
which few other goalkeepers would have got anywhere near (there was one
like that on Saturday). Until he gets the same two central defenders
playing in front of him, and playing well, there will be more goals scored
passed him. On Saturday, for only one of the three goals could you make
out a case for Peter to be even slightly to blame. Which brings me on to
my next point.
Both press and fans are concentrating on the mistakes and ignoring the very
important saves he has been making over the last few games. Had it not
been for Peter, we would have lost to Chelsea - watch the video again if
you don't believe me. Against Barcelona at the Nou Camp, he made a daft
mistake and they scored from a free kick. But he also made at least two
wonderful saves that I remember - the score could have been 5-3.
Personally, I think many fans are listening to the seagulls too much.
Yes, he has made some mistakes recently but then he always has occasionally
made mistakes - usually quite spectacular ones! He has also had bad
periods in the past, when the press have gone for him eg 11 goals put past
him a couple of seasons ago. The difference between then and now is that
the seagulls have really got their knives out. I'm not blind, I can see
that Peter's confidence is low (although that might have more to do with
being generally pissed off with what goes on around the game rather than
his age - Eric looked the same towards the end of his last season), but
he's still the best keeper in the world. Perhaps if United fans supported
him rather than questioning his ability, his confidence might improve. I
(and everyone else who sits near me in East Lower) am dreading next season.
We can never replace Peter - unfortunately, however, it will only be after
he's gone that some United fans will realise just how good he was.
Our Salford Lass
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