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Date: Sun Jul 05 22:17:45 GMT+00:00 1998
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£10M CARLOS IN FERGUSON SNUB
By The Sunday Mirror
Brazil superstar Roberto Carlos has told Manchester United: "You can forget
about signing me."
Old Trafford boss Alex Ferguson has been strongly linked with a £10million
move for the 25-year-old defender, who has inspired his country to within
two games of a repeat World Cup triumph.
But the powerful free kick expert insists he will stay at Real Madrid to
help them defend their European Cup next season.
He said: "I've had lots of offers in recent weeks, but none are going to
make me change my mind. I'm not leaving Real Madrid."
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From: David Menashe
Subject: Sunday Times - Fergie on Beckham & England
Beckham knew red-card referee
I MADE sure I talked to David Beckham on the morning after the worst night
of his football career. He was as low as I expected him to be. All the
horrible implications of his moment of stupidity against Argentina had
really got to him by then and I could sense that he just couldn't wait to
be somewhere far away from the World Cup. I wasn't surprised to learn later
that he had gone to New York. Even there he was going to be hounded but at
least there was the width of the Atlantic between him and the mad
viciousness that came through some of the reactions at home to his
sending-off.
What David did was foolish and unprofessional and - although the little
backward flick of his foot he aimed in retaliation at Diego Simeone
wouldn't have broken an egg and should never have been rated a red card
offence - he has to live with the damage his action did to England's
chances of reaching the quarter-finals of the World Cup. But the way he was
treated by sections of the media afterwards makes you wonder if the
attitudes to sport in our country have gone totally insane. Everybody knows
that I can get pretty worked up about football but I like to think I can
maintain a perspective about the game and the rest of life. I was sickened
by much of the cruel nonsense produced about Beckham last week. He could
hardly have been more vilified if he had committed murder or high treason.
I called the boy's family in Chingford on Thursday night and was told that
reporters and photographers had been camped outside the house for two days.
David's mother, Sandra, said the family were devastated. The father was too
upset even to speak on the phone. But they had been in touch with David in
New York and said he was coping all right.
There was a vindictiveness in many of the comments about Beckham that made
it obvious he was paying yet again for being more of a celebrity than any
other footballer in Britain. If David Batty had committed precisely the
same foul, with the same results, there would never have been such a
feeding frenzy. What is it coming to when a poll is organised to decide
whether the nation should forgive Beckham? Forgive? You would think he was
guilty of a greater crime against the country than Lord Haw-Haw.
His engagement to Victoria Adams of the Spice Girls doesn't exactly
discourage headlines, of course, and when a business magazine came out with
a story estimating his annual income at over £8m he was more of a target
than ever. Those estimates are fine until you try to buy things with them.
Beckham, like many other stars in modern football, is a huge earner but
talk of £8m is rubbish. For a start, that magazine was wildly wrong about
the salary he is currently receiving from Manchester United. I have no
reason to be aware of the details of all the lad's commercial arrangements
outside the game but I know enough about several of them to recognise
ridiculous exaggeration in that area, too.
When anybody has an experience as miserable as David's there is always a
sense of being alone but I was glad that when we talked, shortly before the
England players dispersed, Gary Neville was with him. That would provide
him with some support and he can rely on a lot more help with getting over
his depression when he reports at the club for the new season on July 13.
Glenn Hoddle didn't speak to David immediately after the Argentina match.
Presumably Glenn thought he was better left to himself at that point.
Certainly the England coach spoke sensibly the following day, asking people
not to make a scapegoat of the lad and indicating that he could be expected
to make a big contribution to the national team in the future. That last
statement would mean a great deal to David, because he would have worried
all night about the long-term effects of what he had done.
The incident itself has caused a division of opinion about how serious it
was. But most professionals feel that the red card was harsh punishment for
a moment of folly that was never going to result in injury. An Oscar for
Simeone might have been in order. After committing quite a nasty foul on
Beckham, he reacted to the daft bit of retaliation as if he was being
butchered. It is true that the position of the referee, which guaranteed a
close-up view of Beckham's misbehaviour, meant that the official might have
felt obliged to apply the letter of the law. I believe, however, that there
was an extra factor at work and it relates to Beckham's tendency to react
heatedly and lose his discipline when he feels opponents are taking
liberties with him on the field. Lads like him, who play football and don't
go around kicking people, often respond to rough treatment by trying to
prove they are tough enough to stand up for themselves. Almost always they
do it in silly ways and all it does is annoy the referee.
At Manchester United we have made it clear to Beckham that he has to deal
with this problem. I have tried to ram it home to him that it's a physical
game where players of talent will always be singled out for a hard time. I
have told him the only way to get back at the opponents who do that is by
showing he is better with the ball than they are. But in the heat of the
contest he doesn't always keep control and one occasion when he lost it in
a club match involved Kim Milton Nielsen, the Danish referee who was in
charge of England-Argentina last Tuesday.
It was during the second leg of our European Cup quarter-final with Porto
in March 1997. We beat the Portuguese team 4-0 at Old Trafford and in the
process of getting a goalless draw in the away match Beckham was caught up
in a little off-the-ball incident in the second half and should have been
booked. If Nielsen had given him a yellow card, he would have missed the
first leg of the semi-final with Borussia Dortmund. I was convinced the
referee was aware of that when he let Beckham off with a lecture. When the
trouble occurred in St Etienne, Nielsen may have thought: "I gave you a
break once and you don't seem to have learned from it - so this time you're
off." Officials remember their encounters with high-profile players.
Still, it is hard to stomach the dismissal of Beckham when we consider how
much shabby behaviour goes completely unpunished in this World Cup. Players
are diving all over the place or trying to pull the jerseys off opponents'
backs. They are forever harassing referees to try to get somebody sent off.
That's terrible stuff and there should be a clamp-down on it. But Fifa seem
so obsessed with the offences they have picked out for severe attention
that things which make a mockery of the game are ignored.
Of course, there is plenty that is marvellous and some of the best
qualities of the tournament were there to be admired in St Etienne last
Tuesday. England's spirit and their refusal to stop believing they could
win the game after they were reduced to 10 men were a credit to everybody
in the team and, it must be said, to the positive attitude Hoddle had
spread among his players before they went out. When individual performances
are remembered, Michael Owen's will stand out as some kind of miracle for
an 18-year-old. I never thought an Argentine team coached by Daniel
Passarella, one of the best central defenders I have ever seen, could show
as much fear of one boy. They insisted on a depth of defence that suggested
they were terrified of what Owen's pace could do to them. I haven't seen a
sweeper as deep as Roberto Ayala since Rab Quinn was playing centre-half
for Stenhousemuir in the late Fifties. And age had more to do with it than
tactics in Rab's case. I think he was about 45 when he finished.
Their caution didn't do Argentina any good. Owen still managed to score the
goal of the tournament, one that illustrated perfectly what makes him so
special. As well as phenomenal speed, he has an excellent first touch and a
confidence in his own judgment of options that is incredible for somebody
his age. The pass from Beckham that set him going on that run was off the
ground when it reached Owen. He collected it with the outside of his right
foot and went past the first challenge from Jose Chamot all in the one
movement. He was moving so fast he was able to come across in front of
Chamot right away and leave him for dead. By the time he came to Ayala he
had made up his mind that going beyond the Argentinian was a formality. It
was the certainty of young Michael's decision-making at full surge that was
more stunning than anything else.
As he swept past Ayala, he was carrying the ball straight into the path of
Paul Scholes and Paul actually had the foot drawn back to shoot. But Owen
was having none of that. You could imagine him saying: "I haven't run 40
yards and ripped their defence apart to let someone else finish the job."
So he delivered that tremendous shot back across his body and made a bit of
World Cup history.
The boy is a wonder. Yet, for me, he wasn't the man of the match. Tony
Adams was. You could go on all day praising the outstanding performers in
the team but I thought Adams was head and shoulders above the rest. What he
did was not just impressive. It was moving, especially after what he has
been through in his personal life lately. I've always admired Adams, always
felt he was a Manchester United man playing in the wrong strip. And this
was the greatest display I have ever seen from him. Everything he did was a
declaration. This was probably his last appearance in the World Cup finals
and he was making sure we would remember it. Every time Argentina tried -
and they did it often - to get somebody into that space just behind the
front players, Adams was out like a rocket to win the ball or stifle the
threat. He was driven, like a man possessed, and it was magnificent.
Ariel Ortega was brilliant for Argentina and Juan Sebastian Veron, too, was
full of class. Michael Owen made himself a world figure in the game. But
the truest hero of the night was Tony Adams.
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:15:34 +0800
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From: Red Devil Marcus
Subject: Stam achieves a pass mark against Batistuta
By Patrick Barclay
JAAP STAM, since Manchester United agreed to pay PSV Eindhoven £10 million
for him, has suffered from the wretched effect of footballing fame: the
bigger a shot you become, the easier it is to fall short of the scrutineer's
demands.
Thus the 25-year-old defender was spotted making a couple of blunders in
Dutch domestic competition towards the end of the season and, while he began
the World Cup steadily enough, plenty was rightly made of his negligence in
allowing Mexico to snatch a draw in their final group match.
Then Stam had been unfortunate enough to concede a penalty (and fortunate
enough to see a Yugoslav miss it) for tugging an opponent's shirt. I wish
referees would do this more. The laying of hands on adversaries has been the
bane of this World Cup and the sooner it is proscribed the better. To wait
for next summer's annual meeting of the International Board would be
dilatory. Nevertheless, while the habit is allowed to prevail, Stam is
entitled to feel that he was victimised for a relatively mild offence.
Here he faced the prospect of a serious test in the shape of Gabriel
Batistuta, who scored his fifth goal of the tournament from a penalty -
David Seaman having impeded Diego Simeone - before being hauled out of the
England match by Daniel Passarella last Tuesday in St Etienne.
Passarella had reverted to his original line-up, with Batistuta joining the
speedy, if sometimes erratic, Claudio Lopez in attack. As against England,
Argentina seemed to care little for width, concentrating on working the ball
through the middle by way of the turns, twists and tricks of Ariel Ortega
and Juan Sebastian Veron's majestic promptings.
Within 10 minutes Stam, hacking at Ortega's left ankle in a less than
plausible attempt to reach the ball, was shown the yellow card. The little
Argentinian, who replaced the banned Diego Maradona during the last World
Cup and is so similar in aspects of his style, was soon tripped by Arthur
Numan. Another caution ensued. Ortega was determinedly leading Argentina's
recovery from the shock of falling behind.
When they drew level, Stam and his colleagues were caught hopelessly square
by Veron's through-pass and the equally efficacious timing of Lopez's run.
As Edwin van der Sar had the ball slipped between his legs, Stam was one of
several panting spectators in orange.
There was little respite, for shortly afterwards Lopez sprinted away again,
obtaining the better of a challenge with Stam on the left flank only to find
the big Dutchman capable of at least partial recovery; although Lopez
managed to squeeze the ball past him into the goalmouth, neither Batistuta
nor any other Argentinian was there to profit.
It was a compelling match. As Frank Rijkaard, whose partnership with Ronald
Koeman continues on Guus Hiddink's coaching staff, had observed beforehand:
"Argentina play a typically South American game with one-twos and dribbling.
It's a game that calls for high technique."
In the heat of the Velodrome, overlooked by the rocky hills of Provence,
Stam was not the only Dutchman who struggled to cope with football very
different from that he will encounter in the Premiership.
But Argentina can occasionally manifest patience to the point where it
ceases to be a virtue. As Batistuta kept making runs across the face of the
Dutch penalty area and being largely ignored, Stam was gradually able to
relax. He even tried a foray upfield, linking with Kluivert, as Holland took
territorial control after half-time.
He was sensible not to leave the back door open for long. Yet, Argentina
demonstrated that they could, if necessary, burst through, as Veron surged
forward, leaving Stam flat-footed with a masterly swerve and sending in
Batistuta to rattle a post. The phrase "against the run of play" came to
mind.
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Subject: The Theatre Of Dreams Guestbook July 3rd:
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The Theatre Of Dreams Guestbook July 3rd:
Record 1387
Name: Ryan Graeme Pattinson
Website: na
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: Durban, South Africa
Time: 1998-07-04 15:01:47
Comments: Great home page, and brilliant graphics.
p.s. Arsenal have no chance of winning the league this year, we are going
to kill!!!!!!
Name: MELISSA
From: HAWAII
Time: 1998-07-04 13:51:07
Comments: DAVID BECKHAM IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN MAN U AND RIGHT UP THERE
WITH
MICHAEL OWEN AND JAMIE REDKNAPP......I AM HIGHLY APPRECIATIVE OF THIS
PAGE...DAVID IS THE
MAN!!!!!!
Name: victoria tiffany ang
From: Malaysia
Time: 1998-07-04 12:15:15
Comments: I really like Manchester United especially David Beckham.
His feat over the Argentinian was really great.
He was not supposed to be given red card.Anyway,
he played so well and i will always support him.
Name: Kurniawati
From: Indonesia
Time: 1998-07-04 11:47:54
Comments: I love U Becks, you're very cool.
Name: Lydia
From: Solihull
Time: 1998-07-04 10:52:40
Comments: I think the david beckham interview is so cool i listen
to it every time i go on the Internet. I've heard that David Beckham
is the most hated man in Britan because he got a red card in the world cup
which people say lost England the world cup anyway I still like David!
Name: Lina Peralta
From: Colombia
Time: 1998-07-04 06:11:49
Comments: I really like your homepage, i'm a David fan.
Name: Santiago
From: Argentina
Time: 1998-07-04 01:08:27
Comments: David!!!!!!!! We love you here in Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!
You´re maturity inside the field is inspiration for us
all!!!!!!!!! By the way, all those british who blame David for your luck
are really idiots. If you would´ve had the guts you could have won the
match.
Name: Nicky
From: Israel
Time: 1998-07-03 23:02:48
Comments: Becks rule, there's no doubt about it. I love him to bites, and
I think he's a major babe and a sex god, not to mention one hell of a
footballer. Let's hope France '98 doesn't effect him that badly, but I'm
sure it won't, as he's a mentally strong lad.
Name: miela
From: malaysia
Time: 1998-07-03 21:55:12
Comments: David Beckham is one of a talented, gifted and got such a high
potential in this field. His look is just a bonus for him from God... but
it is hard to deny....he is a MAJOR BABE!!!! Everytime the ball touches his
foot, we know that something brilliant will happen. Eventhough the incident
in France cause too much pain, he is still the best. There's no word can
can describe the frustration I feel inside after he left the field.If he
continues his charismatic personality, I am very sure that someday he will
be a legend in the world of football.
Name: Kelly Ng Hui Li
From: Malaysia
Time: 1998-07-03 18:24:25
Comments: I'd just like to say that David Beckham is the most gifted
person I've ever seen. I mean, he's gorgeous, he's got extraordinary
skills, great hair, great everything and he's dating Victoria Adams. I'd
just want him to know that he has a huge fan in Malaysia....that's
me....and also loads and loads more. I seriously think he was wrongly sent
off during the Argentina
game...and I still back him up 100%!!!
Record 1377
Name: Sarah
From: LONDON!!!
Time: 1998-07-03 16:15:25
Comments: Here`s a message to people blaming David Beckham for losing us
the world cup - it takes a whole team to play and a whole team to lose, so
it wasn`t entirely his fault. There were plenty of opportunities for the
team to have scored during the match, and those that weren`t also
contributed to our side losing. I must agree, he did show bad sportsmanship
but at the end of the day we all make mistakes, and his was the one
everyone noticed. Just remember what an asset he was to the side in
previous games and our last game was by far the best they`ve played. Listen
to Posh Spice - don`t just blame Beckham for an easy excuse to our World
Cup loss.
Record 1376
Name: Laura - Jayne
From: LONDON
Time: 1998-07-03 16:07:58
Comments: Dave, may have made a mistake in the world cup but it wasn't his
fault we lost, in my eyes we won! Go easy on the lad because it doesn't
make him any less of a player and he is a good one (posh spice can vouch
for that!)! Beckham is still a good man ( and rather cute too!) so don't
judge him on his mistakes, he'll learn from this.
Record 1375
Name: Candy
From: Hong Kong
Time: 1998-07-03 10:36:52
Comments: Please don't blame on beckham now. Although the Beckham's kick
on the Argentina football player "Seamony" was wrong, but it was too strict
for the Denmark judge to give the "RED" card to Beckham.However, kicking
the other from the back is only given a "YELLOW" card.What a
"Bias/Unstandardly" judgement it was !!! So we should not blame the
England's lost solely on the Beckham's fault.The Bias and Unstandardly
judbement of the judge is also the serious problem.Undoubtedly, Beckham is
an outstanding football player. So we should give more support for him.He
has suffered from too much pressure.
Record 1374
Name: Emily
Website:
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: Alberta, CANADA
Time: 1998-07-03 08:31:58
Comments: First of all.... I think David Beckham is a BABE!! ( Along with
Shearer and Owen) That really is too bad how England went out... I think
English fans are awesome.... I'll continue to support Manchester United... :)
Record 1373
Name: jonathan
Website:
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: indianapolis, indiana USA
Time: 1998-07-03 08:13:35
Comments: oh david... i can't begin to fathom what it is you must be
feeling right now. my opinion? simeone is a bastard! what a DIVE!!! fret
not, young man... though a great misfortune it is that england didnt
advance (we ALL know england was the better team that day), i don't think
the blame lies solely on your shoulders. at least you don't play for my
sorry country (no comments, please... i know we are awful). keep your chin
up, david. we all have bad days. you're an incredible player and Manchester
United are purely blessed to have you wearing their jersey... and lets not
forget the three lions. don't let that girl of yours jade you... cheers...
Record 1372
Name: mandy
Website:
Referred by: Net Search
From: lynchburg, virginia, usa
Time: 1998-07-03 07:15:56
Comments: dear Dvid, you are the best soccer player there is i wish you
the best with yur soccer career and with l=the love of your life victoria
adams. love, mandy
Record 1371
Name: Daniel LeFevre
Website:
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: Tasmania, Australia
Time: 1998-07-03 04:20:17
Comments: Man United are the best team in the Premier League. You guys rule
Record 1370
Name: david beckham wannabe
Website: viva man. utd!!!
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: sherwood park, alberta, canada
Time: 1998-07-03 01:23:05
Comments: I think that Man. Utd. is the best team in football club
history!! long live man. utd!!!
Record 1369
Name: Jamie
Website:
Referred by: Just Surfed On In
From: Staffs England
Time: 1998-07-02 22:41:04
Comments: Ace site,DAVID U'R FIT
Nice to see so much positive David stuff with "NO ABU" stuff at all today :)
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