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Date: Sun Jul 05 22:17:45 GMT+00:00 1998
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By The Sunday Mirror

Brazil superstar Roberto Carlos has told Manchester United: "You can forget
about signing me."

Old Trafford boss Alex Ferguson has been strongly linked with a £10million
move for the 25-year-old defender, who has inspired his country to within
two games of a repeat World Cup triumph.

But the powerful free kick expert insists he will stay at Real Madrid to
help them defend their European Cup next season.

He said: "I've had lots of offers in recent weeks, but none are going to
make me change my mind. I'm not leaving Real Madrid."

© PA Sporting Life

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UK tv poll asked "should he be forgiven" the result was
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This Issue:
1. Sunday Times - Fergie on Beckham & England
2. Stam achieves a pass mark against Batistuta
3. The Theatre Of Dreams Guestbook July 3rd:


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X-Sender: dmenashe@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:06:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" Sender: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" From: David Menashe Subject: Sunday Times - Fergie on Beckham & England Beckham knew red-card referee I MADE sure I talked to David Beckham on the morning after the worst night of his football career. He was as low as I expected him to be. All the horrible implications of his moment of stupidity against Argentina had really got to him by then and I could sense that he just couldn't wait to be somewhere far away from the World Cup. I wasn't surprised to learn later that he had gone to New York. Even there he was going to be hounded but at least there was the width of the Atlantic between him and the mad viciousness that came through some of the reactions at home to his sending-off. What David did was foolish and unprofessional and - although the little backward flick of his foot he aimed in retaliation at Diego Simeone wouldn't have broken an egg and should never have been rated a red card offence - he has to live with the damage his action did to England's chances of reaching the quarter-finals of the World Cup. But the way he was treated by sections of the media afterwards makes you wonder if the attitudes to sport in our country have gone totally insane. Everybody knows that I can get pretty worked up about football but I like to think I can maintain a perspective about the game and the rest of life. I was sickened by much of the cruel nonsense produced about Beckham last week. He could hardly have been more vilified if he had committed murder or high treason. I called the boy's family in Chingford on Thursday night and was told that reporters and photographers had been camped outside the house for two days. David's mother, Sandra, said the family were devastated. The father was too upset even to speak on the phone. But they had been in touch with David in New York and said he was coping all right. There was a vindictiveness in many of the comments about Beckham that made it obvious he was paying yet again for being more of a celebrity than any other footballer in Britain. If David Batty had committed precisely the same foul, with the same results, there would never have been such a feeding frenzy. What is it coming to when a poll is organised to decide whether the nation should forgive Beckham? Forgive? You would think he was guilty of a greater crime against the country than Lord Haw-Haw. His engagement to Victoria Adams of the Spice Girls doesn't exactly discourage headlines, of course, and when a business magazine came out with a story estimating his annual income at over £8m he was more of a target than ever. Those estimates are fine until you try to buy things with them. Beckham, like many other stars in modern football, is a huge earner but talk of £8m is rubbish. For a start, that magazine was wildly wrong about the salary he is currently receiving from Manchester United. I have no reason to be aware of the details of all the lad's commercial arrangements outside the game but I know enough about several of them to recognise ridiculous exaggeration in that area, too. When anybody has an experience as miserable as David's there is always a sense of being alone but I was glad that when we talked, shortly before the England players dispersed, Gary Neville was with him. That would provide him with some support and he can rely on a lot more help with getting over his depression when he reports at the club for the new season on July 13. Glenn Hoddle didn't speak to David immediately after the Argentina match. Presumably Glenn thought he was better left to himself at that point. Certainly the England coach spoke sensibly the following day, asking people not to make a scapegoat of the lad and indicating that he could be expected to make a big contribution to the national team in the future. That last statement would mean a great deal to David, because he would have worried all night about the long-term effects of what he had done. The incident itself has caused a division of opinion about how serious it was. But most professionals feel that the red card was harsh punishment for a moment of folly that was never going to result in injury. An Oscar for Simeone might have been in order. After committing quite a nasty foul on Beckham, he reacted to the daft bit of retaliation as if he was being butchered. It is true that the position of the referee, which guaranteed a close-up view of Beckham's misbehaviour, meant that the official might have felt obliged to apply the letter of the law. I believe, however, that there was an extra factor at work and it relates to Beckham's tendency to react heatedly and lose his discipline when he feels opponents are taking liberties with him on the field. Lads like him, who play football and don't go around kicking people, often respond to rough treatment by trying to prove they are tough enough to stand up for themselves. Almost always they do it in silly ways and all it does is annoy the referee. At Manchester United we have made it clear to Beckham that he has to deal with this problem. I have tried to ram it home to him that it's a physical game where players of talent will always be singled out for a hard time. I have told him the only way to get back at the opponents who do that is by showing he is better with the ball than they are. But in the heat of the contest he doesn't always keep control and one occasion when he lost it in a club match involved Kim Milton Nielsen, the Danish referee who was in charge of England-Argentina last Tuesday. It was during the second leg of our European Cup quarter-final with Porto in March 1997. We beat the Portuguese team 4-0 at Old Trafford and in the process of getting a goalless draw in the away match Beckham was caught up in a little off-the-ball incident in the second half and should have been booked. If Nielsen had given him a yellow card, he would have missed the first leg of the semi-final with Borussia Dortmund. I was convinced the referee was aware of that when he let Beckham off with a lecture. When the trouble occurred in St Etienne, Nielsen may have thought: "I gave you a break once and you don't seem to have learned from it - so this time you're off." Officials remember their encounters with high-profile players. Still, it is hard to stomach the dismissal of Beckham when we consider how much shabby behaviour goes completely unpunished in this World Cup. Players are diving all over the place or trying to pull the jerseys off opponents' backs. They are forever harassing referees to try to get somebody sent off. That's terrible stuff and there should be a clamp-down on it. But Fifa seem so obsessed with the offences they have picked out for severe attention that things which make a mockery of the game are ignored. Of course, there is plenty that is marvellous and some of the best qualities of the tournament were there to be admired in St Etienne last Tuesday. England's spirit and their refusal to stop believing they could win the game after they were reduced to 10 men were a credit to everybody in the team and, it must be said, to the positive attitude Hoddle had spread among his players before they went out. When individual performances are remembered, Michael Owen's will stand out as some kind of miracle for an 18-year-old. I never thought an Argentine team coached by Daniel Passarella, one of the best central defenders I have ever seen, could show as much fear of one boy. They insisted on a depth of defence that suggested they were terrified of what Owen's pace could do to them. I haven't seen a sweeper as deep as Roberto Ayala since Rab Quinn was playing centre-half for Stenhousemuir in the late Fifties. And age had more to do with it than tactics in Rab's case. I think he was about 45 when he finished. Their caution didn't do Argentina any good. Owen still managed to score the goal of the tournament, one that illustrated perfectly what makes him so special. As well as phenomenal speed, he has an excellent first touch and a confidence in his own judgment of options that is incredible for somebody his age. The pass from Beckham that set him going on that run was off the ground when it reached Owen. He collected it with the outside of his right foot and went past the first challenge from Jose Chamot all in the one movement. He was moving so fast he was able to come across in front of Chamot right away and leave him for dead. By the time he came to Ayala he had made up his mind that going beyond the Argentinian was a formality. It was the certainty of young Michael's decision-making at full surge that was more stunning than anything else. As he swept past Ayala, he was carrying the ball straight into the path of Paul Scholes and Paul actually had the foot drawn back to shoot. But Owen was having none of that. You could imagine him saying: "I haven't run 40 yards and ripped their defence apart to let someone else finish the job." So he delivered that tremendous shot back across his body and made a bit of World Cup history. The boy is a wonder. Yet, for me, he wasn't the man of the match. Tony Adams was. You could go on all day praising the outstanding performers in the team but I thought Adams was head and shoulders above the rest. What he did was not just impressive. It was moving, especially after what he has been through in his personal life lately. I've always admired Adams, always felt he was a Manchester United man playing in the wrong strip. And this was the greatest display I have ever seen from him. Everything he did was a declaration. This was probably his last appearance in the World Cup finals and he was making sure we would remember it. Every time Argentina tried - and they did it often - to get somebody into that space just behind the front players, Adams was out like a rocket to win the ball or stifle the threat. He was driven, like a man possessed, and it was magnificent. Ariel Ortega was brilliant for Argentina and Juan Sebastian Veron, too, was full of class. Michael Owen made himself a world figure in the game. But the truest hero of the night was Tony Adams.
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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:15:34 +0800 Reply-To: Red Devil Marcus Sender: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" From: Red Devil Marcus Subject: Stam achieves a pass mark against Batistuta By Patrick Barclay JAAP STAM, since Manchester United agreed to pay PSV Eindhoven £10 million for him, has suffered from the wretched effect of footballing fame: the bigger a shot you become, the easier it is to fall short of the scrutineer's demands. Thus the 25-year-old defender was spotted making a couple of blunders in Dutch domestic competition towards the end of the season and, while he began the World Cup steadily enough, plenty was rightly made of his negligence in allowing Mexico to snatch a draw in their final group match. Then Stam had been unfortunate enough to concede a penalty (and fortunate enough to see a Yugoslav miss it) for tugging an opponent's shirt. I wish referees would do this more. The laying of hands on adversaries has been the bane of this World Cup and the sooner it is proscribed the better. To wait for next summer's annual meeting of the International Board would be dilatory. Nevertheless, while the habit is allowed to prevail, Stam is entitled to feel that he was victimised for a relatively mild offence. Here he faced the prospect of a serious test in the shape of Gabriel Batistuta, who scored his fifth goal of the tournament from a penalty - David Seaman having impeded Diego Simeone - before being hauled out of the England match by Daniel Passarella last Tuesday in St Etienne. Passarella had reverted to his original line-up, with Batistuta joining the speedy, if sometimes erratic, Claudio Lopez in attack. As against England, Argentina seemed to care little for width, concentrating on working the ball through the middle by way of the turns, twists and tricks of Ariel Ortega and Juan Sebastian Veron's majestic promptings. Within 10 minutes Stam, hacking at Ortega's left ankle in a less than plausible attempt to reach the ball, was shown the yellow card. The little Argentinian, who replaced the banned Diego Maradona during the last World Cup and is so similar in aspects of his style, was soon tripped by Arthur Numan. Another caution ensued. Ortega was determinedly leading Argentina's recovery from the shock of falling behind. When they drew level, Stam and his colleagues were caught hopelessly square by Veron's through-pass and the equally efficacious timing of Lopez's run. As Edwin van der Sar had the ball slipped between his legs, Stam was one of several panting spectators in orange. There was little respite, for shortly afterwards Lopez sprinted away again, obtaining the better of a challenge with Stam on the left flank only to find the big Dutchman capable of at least partial recovery; although Lopez managed to squeeze the ball past him into the goalmouth, neither Batistuta nor any other Argentinian was there to profit. It was a compelling match. As Frank Rijkaard, whose partnership with Ronald Koeman continues on Guus Hiddink's coaching staff, had observed beforehand: "Argentina play a typically South American game with one-twos and dribbling. It's a game that calls for high technique." In the heat of the Velodrome, overlooked by the rocky hills of Provence, Stam was not the only Dutchman who struggled to cope with football very different from that he will encounter in the Premiership. But Argentina can occasionally manifest patience to the point where it ceases to be a virtue. As Batistuta kept making runs across the face of the Dutch penalty area and being largely ignored, Stam was gradually able to relax. He even tried a foray upfield, linking with Kluivert, as Holland took territorial control after half-time. He was sensible not to leave the back door open for long. Yet, Argentina demonstrated that they could, if necessary, burst through, as Veron surged forward, leaving Stam flat-footed with a masterly swerve and sending in Batistuta to rattle a post. The phrase "against the run of play" came to mind.
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From: Barry Leeming Subject: The Theatre Of Dreams Guestbook July 3rd: Hi REDS please note I HAVE NOT DELETED ANYTHING! :)) 19 entries yesterday 100% support :)) The Theatre Of Dreams Guestbook July 3rd: Record 1387 Name: Ryan Graeme Pattinson Website: na Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: Durban, South Africa Time: 1998-07-04 15:01:47 Comments: Great home page, and brilliant graphics. p.s. Arsenal have no chance of winning the league this year, we are going to kill!!!!!! Name: MELISSA From: HAWAII Time: 1998-07-04 13:51:07 Comments: DAVID BECKHAM IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN MAN U AND RIGHT UP THERE WITH MICHAEL OWEN AND JAMIE REDKNAPP......I AM HIGHLY APPRECIATIVE OF THIS PAGE...DAVID IS THE MAN!!!!!! Name: victoria tiffany ang From: Malaysia Time: 1998-07-04 12:15:15 Comments: I really like Manchester United especially David Beckham. His feat over the Argentinian was really great. He was not supposed to be given red card.Anyway, he played so well and i will always support him. Name: Kurniawati From: Indonesia Time: 1998-07-04 11:47:54 Comments: I love U Becks, you're very cool. Name: Lydia From: Solihull Time: 1998-07-04 10:52:40 Comments: I think the david beckham interview is so cool i listen to it every time i go on the Internet. I've heard that David Beckham is the most hated man in Britan because he got a red card in the world cup which people say lost England the world cup anyway I still like David! Name: Lina Peralta From: Colombia Time: 1998-07-04 06:11:49 Comments: I really like your homepage, i'm a David fan. Name: Santiago From: Argentina Time: 1998-07-04 01:08:27 Comments: David!!!!!!!! We love you here in Argentina!!!!!!!!!!! You´re maturity inside the field is inspiration for us all!!!!!!!!! By the way, all those british who blame David for your luck are really idiots. If you would´ve had the guts you could have won the match. Name: Nicky From: Israel Time: 1998-07-03 23:02:48 Comments: Becks rule, there's no doubt about it. I love him to bites, and I think he's a major babe and a sex god, not to mention one hell of a footballer. Let's hope France '98 doesn't effect him that badly, but I'm sure it won't, as he's a mentally strong lad. Name: miela From: malaysia Time: 1998-07-03 21:55:12 Comments: David Beckham is one of a talented, gifted and got such a high potential in this field. His look is just a bonus for him from God... but it is hard to deny....he is a MAJOR BABE!!!! Everytime the ball touches his foot, we know that something brilliant will happen. Eventhough the incident in France cause too much pain, he is still the best. There's no word can can describe the frustration I feel inside after he left the field.If he continues his charismatic personality, I am very sure that someday he will be a legend in the world of football. Name: Kelly Ng Hui Li From: Malaysia Time: 1998-07-03 18:24:25 Comments: I'd just like to say that David Beckham is the most gifted person I've ever seen. I mean, he's gorgeous, he's got extraordinary skills, great hair, great everything and he's dating Victoria Adams. I'd just want him to know that he has a huge fan in Malaysia....that's me....and also loads and loads more. I seriously think he was wrongly sent off during the Argentina game...and I still back him up 100%!!! Record 1377 Name: Sarah From: LONDON!!! Time: 1998-07-03 16:15:25 Comments: Here`s a message to people blaming David Beckham for losing us the world cup - it takes a whole team to play and a whole team to lose, so it wasn`t entirely his fault. There were plenty of opportunities for the team to have scored during the match, and those that weren`t also contributed to our side losing. I must agree, he did show bad sportsmanship but at the end of the day we all make mistakes, and his was the one everyone noticed. Just remember what an asset he was to the side in previous games and our last game was by far the best they`ve played. Listen to Posh Spice - don`t just blame Beckham for an easy excuse to our World Cup loss. Record 1376 Name: Laura - Jayne From: LONDON Time: 1998-07-03 16:07:58 Comments: Dave, may have made a mistake in the world cup but it wasn't his fault we lost, in my eyes we won! Go easy on the lad because it doesn't make him any less of a player and he is a good one (posh spice can vouch for that!)! Beckham is still a good man ( and rather cute too!) so don't judge him on his mistakes, he'll learn from this. Record 1375 Name: Candy From: Hong Kong Time: 1998-07-03 10:36:52 Comments: Please don't blame on beckham now. Although the Beckham's kick on the Argentina football player "Seamony" was wrong, but it was too strict for the Denmark judge to give the "RED" card to Beckham.However, kicking the other from the back is only given a "YELLOW" card.What a "Bias/Unstandardly" judgement it was !!! So we should not blame the England's lost solely on the Beckham's fault.The Bias and Unstandardly judbement of the judge is also the serious problem.Undoubtedly, Beckham is an outstanding football player. So we should give more support for him.He has suffered from too much pressure. Record 1374 Name: Emily Website: Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: Alberta, CANADA Time: 1998-07-03 08:31:58 Comments: First of all.... I think David Beckham is a BABE!! ( Along with Shearer and Owen) That really is too bad how England went out... I think English fans are awesome.... I'll continue to support Manchester United... :) Record 1373 Name: jonathan Website: Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: indianapolis, indiana USA Time: 1998-07-03 08:13:35 Comments: oh david... i can't begin to fathom what it is you must be feeling right now. my opinion? simeone is a bastard! what a DIVE!!! fret not, young man... though a great misfortune it is that england didnt advance (we ALL know england was the better team that day), i don't think the blame lies solely on your shoulders. at least you don't play for my sorry country (no comments, please... i know we are awful). keep your chin up, david. we all have bad days. you're an incredible player and Manchester United are purely blessed to have you wearing their jersey... and lets not forget the three lions. don't let that girl of yours jade you... cheers... Record 1372 Name: mandy Website: Referred by: Net Search From: lynchburg, virginia, usa Time: 1998-07-03 07:15:56 Comments: dear Dvid, you are the best soccer player there is i wish you the best with yur soccer career and with l=the love of your life victoria adams. love, mandy Record 1371 Name: Daniel LeFevre Website: Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: Tasmania, Australia Time: 1998-07-03 04:20:17 Comments: Man United are the best team in the Premier League. You guys rule Record 1370 Name: david beckham wannabe Website: viva man. utd!!! Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: sherwood park, alberta, canada Time: 1998-07-03 01:23:05 Comments: I think that Man. Utd. is the best team in football club history!! long live man. utd!!! Record 1369 Name: Jamie Website: Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: Staffs England Time: 1998-07-02 22:41:04 Comments: Ace site,DAVID U'R FIT Nice to see so much positive David stuff with "NO ABU" stuff at all today :) Barry And Bill at Simplenet. 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