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Date: Thu Dec 03 GMT+00:00 1998
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1. Match Report *** LC QUARTER-FINAL 02/12/98 20.00 ***
2. ARMSTRONG TOO STRONG FOR UNDER-STRENGTH UNITED
3. United cheer old-rivals Juve ««
4. Harry McShane
5. Remember: MufcSimplenet.com do not always agree with the news articles sent!
6. United desperate for Kidd to stay ««
7. Fergie pleads with Kidd to stay
8. FERGIE'S NO. 2 SHOULD CUT THE UNITED UMBILICAL CORD
9. Kidd poised for Rovers ««
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Daily RED Trivia Thu 3rd December:
3/12/1955: United beat Sunderland 2-1 at Old Trafford in a Division 1 game watched
by 39,901. John Doherty and Dennis Viollet scored for the Reds. Team was:
Wood, Foulkes, Bryne, Colman, Jones, Edwards, Berry, Doherty, Taylor, Viollet, Pegg.
1971: Andrew Mitchell died in Blackburn. Signed from Darlington for £600, he made
his only senior appearance at Notts County in March 1933. A speedy Wingman,
Mitchell moved to Hull City in June 1933.
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Barry Daily Comment:
Juve drew Wed, giving up a late goal to draw 1-1, so for us this
means.......
in Group B Galatasaray are away to Bilbao and Rosenborg away to Juve for
Match day 6. As long as both Galatasary and Rosenborg dont win, if we draw
we will advance on 10 points with the best goal difference and goals
scored.
The only clubs that could have more points than us are Real Madrid,
Rosenborg and Galatasary. I assume Real will win and go through so we only
have to concern ourselve with the other 2.
In group e Lens and Dynamo Kiev both have 8 pts but they play each other
Worthington Cup today, web comms details in today's digest!
thanks to John Kelleher
Remaining 1998 games:
ALL Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm
Sat 5/12 Aston Villa (A) PL 15.00
Wed 9/12 Bayern Munich (H) CL 19.45
Sat 12/12 Tottenham (A) PL 15.00
Wed 16/12 Chelsea (H) PL sky sports time 20.00
Sat 19/12 Middlesbrough (H) PL 15.00
Sat 26/12 Nottm Forest (H) PL 15.00
Tue 29/12 Chelsea (A) PL sky sports time 19.45 UK
UNITED Stats v Aston Villa:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/vsastonvilla.htm
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
15/08/98 Leicester City Home D 2-2 11 55,052
22/08/98 West Ham United Away D 0-0 11 26,039
09/09/98 Charlton Athletic Home W 4-1 9 55,147
12/09/98 Coventry City Home W 2-0 5 55,193
20/09/98 Arsenal Away L 0-3 10 38,142
24/09/98 Liverpool Home W 2-0 3 55,181
03/10/98 Southampton Away W 3-0 2 15,251
17/10/98 Wimbledon Home W 5-1 2 55,265
24/10/98 Derby County Away D 1-1 2 30,867
31/10/98 Everton Away W 4-1 2 40,079
08/11/98 Newcastle United Home D 0-0 3 55,174
14/11/98 Blackburn Rovers Home W 3-2 2 55,198
21/11/98 Sheffield Wednesday Away L 1-3 2 39,475
29/11/98 Leeds Home W 3-2 2 55,172
Prem Table 29/11:
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Aston Villa 14 8 5 1 22 12 10 29
2 Manchester United 14 8 4 2 30 16 14 28
3 West Ham United 15 7 5 3 20 16 4 26
4 Arsenal 15 6 7 2 15 7 8 25
5 Chelsea 13 6 6 1 22 13 9 24
6 Leeds United 15 5 8 2 22 14 8 23
7 Middlesbrough 15 5 8 2 24 17 7 23
8 Liverpool 15 6 4 5 26 19 7 22
9 Derby County 15 5 6 4 15 14 1 21
10 Wimbledon 15 5 5 5 19 25 -6 20
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Champions League:
Group D P W D L F A Pts
Bayern Munich 5 3 1 1 8 5 10
Man United 5 2 3 0 19 10 9
Barcelona 5 1 2 2 9 9 5
Brondby 5 1 0 4 4 16 3
Sep 16 Brøndby 2-1 Bayern München
Sep 16 Man Utd 3-3 Barcelona
Sep 30 Barcelona 2-0 Brøndby
Sep 30 Bayern Munich 2-2 Man Utd
Oct 21 Brøndby 2-6 Man Utd
Oct 21 Bayern Munich 1-0 Barcelona
Nov 4 Barcelona 1-2 Bayern Munich
Nov 4 Man Utd 5-0 Brøndby
Nov 25 Barcelona 3-3 Man Utd
Nov 25 Bayern Munich 2-0 Brøndby
to play.....
Dec 9 Brøndby v Barcelona
Dec 9 Man Utd v Bayern Munich
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Subject: Match Report *** LC QUARTER-FINAL 02/12/98 20.00 ***
Full Time Result Tottenham 3(0) - (0)1 Manchester United
Armstrong 2, Sheringham
Ginola
Chris Armstrong struck twice in seven minutes at the start
of the second half to send Tottenham through to the
semi-finals of the Worthington Cup. The in-form striker
scored with a pair of brilliant headers to sink Manchester
United.
It is nearly two years since Spurs last beat United when
Armstrong landed another double in a 4-1 Premiership romp
on New Year's Day 1996. Since then United have racked up
five consecutive victories over their north London rivals.
But although Teddy Sheringham, who also scored for Spurs in
that previous success, pulled Alex Ferguson's patch-work
team of youth and experience back into the match with
another powerful header with 20 minutes left - a goal he
celebrated with a defiant fist-clenching gesture to the
Tottenham fans who had jeered his every touch - it was not
enough to deny George Graham's team. And with four minutes
to go the mercurial David Ginola struck a sweet left-foot
25-yarder past Raimond van der Gouw to clinch it.
Allan Nielsen had missed two decent first-half
opportunities to turn the tie Spurs way but two minutes
after the break he chipped into the box from out on the
left. Ruel Fox, who had replaced Colin Calderwood in
midfield, helped the ball on for Armstrong to head firmly
past van der Gouw for his seventh goal of the season and
third in consecutive games.
United had an immediate chance to equalise when Nicky
Butt's pass found Phil Neville, whose shot was only a yard
wide of the target with goalkeeper Ian Walker beaten. But
in the 54th minute Armstrong came up trumps again with his
head. This time Ginola teased and tormented Jon Greening
out on the left and whipped the ball over waist-high for
Armstrong to dive in front ahead of Ronny Johnsen and
defeat van der Gouw again.
The contest looked over but it could have been different if
Butt, put in by Greening, had not wasted a golden
opportunity in the 65th minute, half-volleying wastefully
over the bar. And Iversen spurned the chance to wrap it up
completely for Spurs, stabbing wide from three yards after
Ginola's cross took out Johnsen and Henning Berg.
Tottenham were briefly on the back foot when Sheringham
converted Neville's left wing cross with a decisive 70th
minute header but then Ginola came up with the finishing
touch which boss Graham had demanded he add to his silky
skills and Spurs were on their way to the last four. Spurs
deserved their triumph but their ultimate success looked
threatened when Danish midfielder Nielsen's finishing touch
deserted him in a fast-moving but finally unproductive
first half.
Twice Nielsen, the scorer of five goals this season, made
intelligent runs into the United box to meet passes by
Darren Anderton and Steffen Iversen but failed to control
the ball with the goal beckoning in front of him. As is
their custom in this competition which manager Alex
Ferguson regards as a poor fourth priority behind the
Champions' League, Premiership and FA Cup, United made
eight changes from the line-up which started against Leeds
on Sunday.
But Ryan Giggs, Sheringham and Johnsen made their comebacks
from injury to supplement the youthful ranks of Ferguson's
next generation of stars. They were soon tested by Ginola's
exciting wing skills. In the eighth minute the Frenchman
showed a supremely polished touch to leave both Greening
and Michael Clegg in his wake before delivering a
rapier-like low cross which had United's 35-year-old
reserve keeper van der Gouw at full stretch to cut out.
Then Ginola motored past Butt two minutes later and it
needed a crashing tackle by Greening to stop him
threatening the United goal again. It produced a corner
which United could only half clear and Johnsen was happy to
block Darren Anderton's follow-up volley from just outside
the area. United had been first to warm a bitterly cold
north London night when Sheringham, whose every touch was
jeered by his former Spurs fans, linked smartly with Ole
Gunnar Solskjaer to release Butt for a 20-yard shot which
bounced awkwardly in front of Ian Walker. But the Spurs
keeper, making his first start since August, confidently
smothered it.
At the other end Neville made a vital interception to
prevent Nielsen breaking forward into the box in pursuit of
Iversen's chip forward that he looked favourite to reach
first. United enjoyed a spell of supremacy with Butt,
Neville and the impressive Greening getting a grip on
midfield.
But they needed a brilliant tackle by left-back John Curtis
to rescue them on the half hour when a slip by Johnsen gave
Nielsen an opening. Curtis slid in to get the ball away and
Calderwood should have done better when latching onto the
loose ball and firing high over the top.
United's response was immediate, with Solskjaer driving a
low, angled shot just beyond the far post after another
set-up engineered by Butt and Greening. And they were
beginning to restrict Ginola to only random threats,
although just four minutes before the interval he cut in
from the left and sent a wickedly curling shot whistling
just over the bar.
Walker held another low drive by Solskjaer before the
hard-working Nielsen penetrated the area again to meet
Anderton's cross but again failed to take control and let
Johnsen clear the danger. Nielsen never let his head drop,
though, and with the second half in its infancy he gave
Armstrong the opportunity to raise his own head and deliver
the vital first goal.
A repeat performance to finish off from Ginola's mastery
looked sure to settle it seven minutes later, but United
refused to buckle and when Sheringham struck back they
looked capable of forcing extra time. But Ginola's magic
surfaced once more to kill them off - and keep boss
Graham's hopes alive of repeating his performance with
local rivals Arsenal, when he won the League Cup in his
first season of management at Highbury 11 years ago.
Tottenham Hotspur: Walker, Calderwood, Campbell, Carr,
Andersson, Anderton, Sinton, Nielsen, Ginola, Iversen,
Armstrong. Subs: Fox for Calderwood, Ferdinand for
Scorers: Armstrong (48, 55), Ginola (85)
Manchester United: Van Der Gouw, Clegg, Curtis, Johnsen,
Berg, P Neville, Butt, Giggs, Greening, Sheringham,
Solskjaer. Subs: Notman for Butt, Blomqvist for Curtis,
Beckham for Greening
Scorers: Sheringham (70)
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Subject: ARMSTRONG TOO STRONG FOR UNDER-STRENGTH UNITED
Chris Armstrong struck twice in seven minutes at the start of the second
half to send Tottenham through to the semi-finals of the Worthington Cup.
The in-form striker scored with a pair of brilliant headers to sink
Manchester United.
It is nearly two years since Spurs last beat United when Armstrong
landed another double in a 4-1 Premiership romp on New Year's Day
1996.
Since then United have racked up five consecutive victories over their
north London rivals. But although Teddy Sheringham, who
also scored for Spurs in that previous success, pulled Alex
Ferguson's patch-work team of youth and experience back into the match
with another powerful header with 20 minutes left - a goal he celebrated
with a defiant fist-clenching gesture to the Tottenham fans who had jeered
his every touch - it was not enough to deny George Graham's team.
And with four minutes to go the mercurial David Ginola struck a sweet
left-foot 25-yarder past Raimond van der Gouw to clinch it.
Allan Nielsen had missed two decent first-half opportunities to turn the
tie Spurs way but two minutes after the break he chipped into the box
from out on the left.
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Subject: United cheer old-rivals Juve ««
Manchester United will be casting an eye on Juventus'
Champions League game with Galatasaray tonight - with the
hope that the Italians can come away from Istanbul with a
victory.
If the Turin giants win against the Turkish champions then
United will almost certainly only need to draw against Bayern
Munich to qualify for the last eight as one of the best
runners-up.
However, as United know only too well, Galatasaray is not the
easiest place to visit after they suffered two bruising and hostile
encounters with the Turkish outfit in previous Champions'
League encounters.
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RESULT + REPORT WED night........
JUVE FLOP A BLOW FOR UNITED
Suat Kaya headed an equaliser two minutes into injury time
to give Galatasaray a 1-1 draw with Juventus in their
Champions' League Group B match in Istanbul.
Kaya's goal cancelled out one 12 minutes earlier for
Juventus by fellow substitute Nicola Amoruso.
The Turkish side's late strike will be a disappointment to
Manchester United, who must now win their last game at
home to Bayern Munich next week to guarantee a place in
the last eight.
A win for Juventus would have meant Alex Ferguson's men
only needed to draw with the Germans at Old Trafford to
qualify as one of the best runners-up - barring a
mathematical miracle.
Tonight's result means both Galatasaray and Juventus still
have a chance of advancing to the quarter-finals, even
though the Italians have drawn all five of their matches to
date.
Galatasaray and Rosenborg Trondheim of Norway each
have eight points, while Juventus have five.
For Juventus to finish on top of the group - the only way
they could qualify - they would need to beat Rosenborg
and hope Spain's Athletic Bilbao defeat Galatasaray.
Tonight's clash had been postponed a week because of a
wave of anti-Italian feeling in Turkey following Italy's
refusal to extradite the wanted Kurdish rebel leader
Abdullah Ocalan.
Juventus players had threatened not to play in Turkey,
fearing for their safety both inside and outside the
Galatasaray ground.
But despite the Italians' fears, no more than the usual
chorus of whistles for an opposing team went up in
Istanbul's Ali Sami Yen stadium at the appearance of the
Italian players.
The atmosphere on the pitch and on the terraces was
heated without appearing to get out of control.
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From: "Tony Smith"
Subject: Harry McShane
It was nice to see Harry McShane appear on the pitch for the cash draw at
half time in the Leeds game. Those of us of a certain age will recall Harry
being the "DJ" before matches in the 60s and early 70s. His style was not
that of Keith Fane, needless to say. I most remember him playing the
commentary from extra time in the European Cup Final before many a home
game. Unfortunately the loudspeaker system was so poor that it always came
over as a bit muffled. Does anyone know why Harry left that job?
I believe that Harry played 50-odd times for United in the 1950s, and he is
of course known through his more famous son, Ian. But to me Harry is a Red,
and a part of my growing-up years, and I was sorry that his appearance
brought barely a ripple of applause from the 55,000 crowd on Sunday. Had it
been some tin-pot snooker player or pop star there would no doubt have been
an ovation. How quickly so forget ... or never learn?
Tony
(c) 1998
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Subject: Remember: MufcSimplenet.com do not always agree with the news articles sent!
365 stirring it again........
FERGIE'S NO. 2 SHOULD CUT THE UNITED UMBILICAL CORD
365 Opinion by Andy Strickland
BRIAN KIDD must jump every time the phone rings. If it's not Alex Ferguson
asking him to tape the snooker, it's yet another big club (so far he's had
offers
from Everton, Manchester City and now Blackburn) wanting him to become their
new manager. Rovers even dangled the prospect of a £1m annual salary and
£25m for new players in front of the Manchester United assistant manager,
but he wasn't biting. It's a decision he may live to regret.
Kidd, reported to be on around £150,000 after 32 years' service at Old
Trafford, may
have his sights set on bigger things. With chief executive Martin Edwards
testily saying
Rovers would get permission to talk to him "over my dead body", the popular
supposition is that Ferguson's number two will assume the top job when his
mentor
finally moves upstairs.
But is that likely to happen? Though Kidd would get the players' vote, an
unchallenged
transition from assistant manager to arguably the biggest job in world
football
seems unlikely in the modern game. The man's loyalty may make him a special
case,
but Rupert Murdoch, whose takeover bid for United may go through early next
year, is
not known for his sentimentality. Kidd's experience of European competition
may
include a coveted winner's medal and many hours sat beside Ferguson, but
that can't
compare with the knowledge of a top European coach who has already been on
the sharp end of the Champions League. United would be mad not to consider the
likes of Marcello Lippi, Fabio Capello or Louis an Gaal when the top job
becomes vacant.
In any case, noises from within Old Trafford suggest that Kidd is
regarded as an exceptional number two, but is not thought to be up
to the far more stressful job of being in sole charge of team affairs
and tactics, which are said not to be his strongest suit.
Another spurned managerial job opportunity also raises questions
about his motivation. "I don't think Kiddo would want to leave
anyway," Ferguson told the Manchester Evening News yesterday. Is
that because the number two expects to inherit the top job, or just
because he is happy where he is? A brief and unhappy time as
Preston boss in 1986 may have persuaded Kidd that his best attire is
a tracksuit, not a designer suit.
But if Kidd does want to become the next manager of Manchester
United, his best bet is to cut the United umbilical cord now, later to
return to Old Trafford an all-conquering hero when Ferguson
eventually steps aside. Blackburn would be the ideal proving ground.
What do you think? Will Brian Kidd be Manchester United's next
manager if he stays at Old Trafford? Should he go to Blackburn and
prove himself? Or will United look for a top European name to
replace Ferguson, no matter what?
Mail the list with your views.
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Subject: United desperate for Kidd to stay ««
Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson has reaffirmed his
need to keep assistant manager Brian Kidd at Old Trafford.
Blackburn are still keen to offer Kidd the opportunity to succeed
Roy Hodgson in the Ewood Park hot-seat - despite United's
decision yesterday that they were to refuse Rovers permission
to speak to Kidd.
Ferguson said of Blackburn's approach: "We do not want to lose
Brian. He is very important to United.
"We have built up an excellent staff and Brian has been a key
part."
However, United chairman Martin Edwards has admitted that
the possibility of Kidd joining Rovers as their new manager is
still alive. Indeed, the thinking is that Rovers' only chance of
getting their man now would be if the highly-respected Reds
coach was to walk out on the club he has served for 30 years.
Edwards revealed: "There is a lot of thinking to be done on both
sides. I have told Brian about Blackburn's approach and that we
have turned it down. It is up to Brian now. We'll have to see what
happens."
But John Williams, Rovers' chief executive, said: "We drew up
a shortlist and have since made good progress although we will
not be drawn on continuing speculation."
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Wednesday, December 2, 1998 Published at 15:24 GMT
Fergie pleads with Kidd to stay
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Right-hand man: Kidd has helped Ferguson win a host of trophies
Blackburn are refusing to admit defeat in their bid to
enlist Brian Kidd as their new manager - despite being
warned off by Manchester United.
Kidd, who is No.2 to United manager Alex Ferguson, has emerged as
Blackburn's chief target to replace Roy Hodgson, who was sacked last month.
But Ferguson himself is keen to hang onto his loyal lieutenant:
"We do not want to lose Brian. He is very important to United," he said.
"We have built up an excellent staff and Brian has been
a key part."
United have rejected Rovers' approach for Kidd, who has
been Ferguson's right-hand man for almost eight years now.
But Old Trafford chairman Martin Edwards accepts he
could be powerless to stop Kidd being tempted to take
the step up to managerial level at Ewood Park.
Edwards said: "There is a lot of thinking to be done on both sides.
"I have told Brian about Blackburn's approach and that we have turned it
down. That's all I can do.
"I have no reason to see that stance changing.
It is up to Brian now. We will have to see what happens."
Kidd has long been tipped, along with Middlesbrough
boss Bryan Robson, as a possible successor to
Ferguson when the United manager decides to retire.
And respected Manchester journalist David Meek
believes now might be the right time for Kidd to leave Old
Trafford:
"He's been cast for long enough as a No.2. I think if
eventually he wants to be manager of Manchester
United, his CV will look better compared to Bryan
Robson, who will be competing for the job, if he goes
and has a go at another club."
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Subject: FERGIE'S NO. 2 SHOULD CUT THE UNITED UMBILICAL CORD
365 Opinion by Andy Strickland
BRIAN KIDD must jump every time the phone rings. If it's not Alex Ferguson
asking him to tape the snooker, it's yet another big club (so far he's had offers
from Everton, Manchester City and now Blackburn) wanting him to become their
new manager. Rovers even dangled the prospect of a £1m annual salary and
£25m for new players in front of the Manchester United assistant manager,
but he wasn't biting. It's a decision he may live to regret.
Kidd, reported to be on around £150,000 after 32 years' service at Old Trafford, may
have his sights set on bigger things. With chief executive Martin Edwards testily saying
Rovers would get permission to talk to him "over my dead body", the popular
supposition is that Ferguson's number two will assume the top job when his mentor
finally moves upstairs.
But is that likely to happen? Though Kidd would get the players' vote, an unchallenged
transition from assistant manager to arguably the biggest job in world football
seems unlikely in the modern game. The man's loyalty may make him a special case,
but Rupert Murdoch, whose takeover bid for United may go through early next year, is
not known for his sentimentality. Kidd's experience of European competition may
include a coveted winner's medal and many hours sat beside Ferguson, but that can't
compare with the knowledge of a top European coach who has already been on
the sharp end of the Champions League. United would be mad not to consider the
likes of Marcello Lippi, Fabio Capello or Louis an Gaal when the top job becomes vacant.
In any case, noises from within Old Trafford suggest that Kidd is
regarded as an exceptional number two, but is not thought to be up
to the far more stressful job of being in sole charge of team affairs
and tactics, which are said not to be his strongest suit.
Another spurned managerial job opportunity also raises questions
about his motivation. "I don't think Kiddo would want to leave
anyway," Ferguson told the Manchester Evening News yesterday. Is
that because the number two expects to inherit the top job, or just
because he is happy where he is? A brief and unhappy time as
Preston boss in 1986 may have persuaded Kidd that his best attire is
a tracksuit, not a designer suit.
But if Kidd does want to become the next manager of Manchester
United, his best bet is to cut the United umbilical cord now, later to
return to Old Trafford an all-conquering hero when Ferguson
eventually steps aside. Blackburn would be the ideal proving ground.
What do you think? Will Brian Kidd be Manchester United's next
manager if he stays at Old Trafford? Should he go to Blackburn and
prove himself? Or will United look for a top European name to
replace Ferguson, no matter what?
Mail the list with your views.
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Subject: Kidd poised for Rovers ««
Kidd poised for Rovers ««
TEAMtalk understands that Manchester United assistant boss
Brian Kidd is ready to fill the vacant managers post at Ewood
Park.
Sources at both United and Blackburn suggest that Kidd is ready
to accept Rovers' offer to re-build the shattered former
champions and accept a £750,000 a year contract. Old Trafford
chairman Martin Edwards yesterday rejected Rovers attempts
to approach Kidd over the vacant managerial position but today
he admitted that the final decision rested with Kidd.
Earlier today, United boss Alex Ferguson pleaded with Kidd to
remain at Old Trafford and just this afternoon, former United
great Nobby Stiles has said that the loss of Kidd would be a
'huge blow to Manchester United'.
Semi final WC
Sunderland v Leicester
Tottenham v Wimbledon
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