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Date: Fri May 01 15:22:10 GMT+00:00 1998
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This Issue:
1. Next year's Euro competitions 
2. Stam (Mirror)
3. Fergie ready for clean sweep at Old Trafford  



X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:09:40 +1200 Reply-To: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" Sender: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" From: Brian Milne Subject: Next year's Euro competitions To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU For the latest in which sides are likely to be in the Champions League next season, see Colm O'Riain's excellent site at http://www.z-axis.com/uefa especially the page at http://www.z-axis.com/uefa/9899/country.html. Summarised here... The top 8 seeds going directly through to the league stage will be (assuming Real Madrid don't beat Juventus) from the following countries (likely entrants in brackets - * means definite) 1. Italy (Juventus*) 2. Germany (Kaiserslautern) 3. Spain (Barcelona*) 4. France (Lens) 5. Netherlands (Ajax*) 6. England (Arsenal) 7. Portugal (Porto*) 8. Greece (Olympiakos) The runners up of these countries will be seeded in the preliminary round: 1. Italy (Inter) 2. Germany (Bayern Munich) 3. Spain (Real Madrid) 4. France (Metz) 5. Netherlands (PSV) 6. England (Manchester United) 7. Portugal (Benfica) 8. Greece (Panathinaikos) (If Real beat Juventus then they go top seeds regardless and everyone moves down one, so that Greece will have two teams in the preliminary round. This is assuming Real finish second in Spain, which is not cut and dried) The next eight countries champions will also be seeded in the preliminary round 9. Czech Republic (Sparta Prague) 10. Norway (Rosenborg *(?)) 11. Austria (Sturm Graz*) 12. Russia (Spartak Moscow*) 13. Croatia (Croatia Zagreb*) 14. Turkey (Galatasaray) 15. Denmark (Brondby) 16. Switzerland (Grasshoppers) There are 35 more countries, but Andorra, San Marino and Liechtenstein don't enter the Champions League, and Albania have been banned for some reason. So that leaves 31 in the qualifying round. Since there needs to be 16 qualifiers from this round, then I would assume that the team from the country in 17th place gets a bye (and look who it could be!). 17. Ukraine (Dynamo Kyiv) So the seeds in the qualifying round would be: 18. Poland (LKS-Ptak Lodz) 19. Hungary (Ujpesti TE) 20. Belgium (Club Brugge*) 21. Slovakia (Kosice) 22. Romania (Steaua Bucherest) 23. Sweden (Halmstad) 24. Georgia (Dinamo Tbilisi) 25. Cyprus (Anorthosis Famagusta) 26. Scotland (Celtic) 27. Israel (Betar Jerusalem) 28. Slovenia (Maribor Teatanic) 29. Belarus (Dynamo Minsk*) 30. Iceland (IBV*) 31. Finland (HJK*) 32. Latvia (Skonto Riga*) This last sixteen are important in that it is likely we would be meeting one of them if all goes to plan. Since we know them, thus taking out the "unknown" factor, I wouldn't mind Kosice again! What's the bet we draw the Scottish champions? I'd love to knock out Rangers! The last fifteen (known champions only mentioned): 33. Bulgaria (Litex Lovech*) 34. FYRO Macedonia 35. Lithuania 36. Yugoslavia 37. Moldova 38. Estonia 39. Armenia (FK Yerevan*) 40. Northern Ireland (Cliftonville*) 41. Malta 42. Republic of Ireland 43. Wales (Barry Town*) 44. Faroe Islands (B-36 Torshavn*) 45. Luxembourg 46. Azerbaijan 47. Bosnia-Herzegovina So, in a four team group, we would get one or two top seeds one or none "runners-up" and a "9-16" champion (assuming all goes to form). In a six team group we would get two top seeds, another "runner-up" and two "9-16" champions (in either case we would definitely avoid Arsenal). I wouldn't mind, say Lens and Olympiakos, or Lens and Porto, but what's the bet we get Juventus again. The draw will be luckier for some more than others, and we're due a bit of luck in that department. In any case, four or six team groups, it's going to be tough. As for Arsenal, well, I hope they get these teams in their group (6 teams): Juventus, Panathinaikos, Real Madrid, Spartak Moscow, Dynamo Kyiv. Let's see Bergkamp travel to all those away games! -- Brian Milne Phone: +64-4-474 2615 Library Services Fax: +64-4-471 0772 Ministry of Commerce Information Centre PO Box 1473 mailto:brian.milne@moc.govt.nz Wellington, New Zealand These views are mine, not those of the Ministry of Commerce

X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:14:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" Sender: "Manchester United Football Club (soccer)" From: Richard Usher Subject: Stam (Mirror) To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU More words from Stam STAM WARNS WENGER: I'M READY FOR YOU News from England filtered through to Jaap Stam as the king of defenders held court in the depths of PSV Eindhoven's luxury stadium. Arsenal 1, Derby 0. The Championship seemingly on its way to Highbury with Stam's new club Manchester United shunted into the unaccustomed sidings of second best. Stam, though, just shrugged his girder-length shoulders, fixed me with an icy stare and urged that I pass on a message to the folks back in dear old Blighty. "Yes, I have heard the Arsenal results," said the 10.5m man after leading PSV to the Dutch Cup final next month - his final appearance before swapping the Eindhoven's red for United's. "If United don't make it now then I hope Arsene Wenger and Arsenal enjoy their success. "Because I, along with the other guys, want to make United champions against next season. "We will want it back. Of course, that is what I am after. It's only going to be temporary for Mr Wenger. We will have a good time next season and we will become champions. "United are a great team who have gone every year for the title. I hope that continues for a long time. I want to go there and win everything with them. At home and in Europe. They can win every prize they want in football." You've been warned, then. And those are no idle boasts,by the way. Stam has fixed his eyes on success since he was knee-high to a tulip back in his old home town of Kampen. Stam has refused to let the distractions surrounding the modern soccer superstar blow him off course. I discovered exactly what makes Stam the Man tick. There's no booze to blacken his name. No birds or scandals. Stam's 6 ft 3 inch 14-stone frame might turn him into the Terminator on the field, but off it, he's a mild-mannered giant whose idea of a good time is enjoying a glass of wine with wife Ellis before the arrival of their first child in August. I watched Stam in anti- social action after PSV beat FC Twente on Wednesday. His time spent in the players' bar totalled just six minutes before leaving the party behind. Co-defender and fellow international Stan Valckx has failed to get Stam to join him on the odd bender and admits: "Yes, I like a drink. And Jaap will have one sometimes, too. "But he is not like some footballers you hear about. If he has a choice, Jaap prefers to go home with his wife. "He's a good guy. A quiet professional. But he can still enjoy himself. He has a laugh with the players, makes jokes and is not always the serious type. He's perfect for the English game and if Manchester United had had him this season they would have got to the European Cup final. "Jaap wants to show the whole world what he can do and United were wise to move in at 10.5million. If they had left their bid until after the World Cup his price could have soared to more than 20m." United's valuation is still something that embarrasses Stam, though. Two weeks ago an irate fan screamed after a poor performance in Rotterdam: "50 million guilders? You're not worth 15 million. Stam nodded and replied: "Even 15 million is a crazy price." Personally, I don't think I have ever seen such a high profile player so down-to-earth and laid back, so dignified and courteous. "He has real wit, too, and said of his own-goal howler against FC Twente: "I hope Martin Edwards doesn't get a copy of the video! "Playing in England for United is all I've ever wanted. When I was a boy I decided that I wanted to get to the top in Holland. Then when I made it I wanted to go to England. "I'm looking forward to it, to play with fantastic players like Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Andy Cole. United have a good manager in Alex Ferguson, too. I might have a little problem understanding his Scottish accent, but his success speaks for itself."

X-Sender: giggs@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:56:57 -0700 To: suggs@tiac.net From: Barry Leeming (by way of Red Devils Mailing List ) Subject: Fergie ready for clean sweep at Old Trafford Soccernet: Fergie ready for clean sweep at Old Trafford Alex Ferguson has revealed the pain of failure in his season-long battle with Arsene Wenger and vowed there will be sweeping changes at Old Trafford as a result of Arsenal's impending Premiership triumph. After a season of acrimony and psychological warfare between the giant clubs, the Manchester United boss has finally found the humility to admit he has come second best to Wenger. Ferguson, facing the prospect of a trophy-less season for the first time in three years, said: 'The handling of failure is something you have to get used to in management. 'Over 23 years as a manager I've had failures and disappointments. The important thing is how you recover and how you use it. 'It's always hard to accept not winning. I can't describe how it hurts one year and then hurts again the next. Failure is failure, but the important thing is I've always shown a capacity to do something about it - and this summer will be very interesting.' Ferguson issued a warning to Premiership rivals that second place in next year's campaign is not an option at Old Trafford. 'As regards next season, football is like a journey. Sometimes you may miss the bus but we don't intend to miss the bus again.' Speaking on tonight's Late Tackle regional programme on ITV, Ferguson admits for the first time the agony of watching Arsenal overtake his team in the closing stages of this season's Premiership race. 'We wanted to win the League too, but Arsenal have come on with a great run and it looks now as if they'll win the League. I've been surprised by Arsenal but their run has been fantastic. You've got to hold your hands up to them. We don't like it but we accept it and we recognise it.' Ferguson said one of the keys to Arsenal's success has been Wenger's in-depth knowledge of European football, in particular the French League. 'Arsene Wenger has done very well in the French transfer market. He knows the players very well and a few clubs have some catching up to do. The boy Nicolas Anelka has done very well.' The United boss says his side would have won the League had they beaten Arsenal in the big Old Trafford clash last month, which finished 1-0 to the Londoners, but United's constant years of success still fills him with immense pride. 'We'd have coped had we not lost at home to Arsenal. We would have held on but where fortune came in, it came on that day for Arsenal. 'What we've done in the last seven years has been phenomenal. We've won four Championships and may win a fifth - but only if something catastrophic happens to Arsenal. The people in London will be confident.'  Theatre Of Dreams http://www.red11.org barry@www.red11.org Daily Digest: http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/digest.htm Last Survey Result: Should Teddy be sold? 409 48%-Yes 51%-No New survey: http://www.red11.org/miva/survey.mv "RED sky at night UNITED delight"

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