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Date: Wed Jan 20 GMT+00:00 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. Still young (and stupid), after all these years!
2. BECKHAM GIVE GREEN LIGHT FOR CUP CLASH
3. Fergie to retire in 4 years?
4. Leading goalscorers this season
5. SOLSKJAER Not Going Anywhere
6. Guardian: THE KING IS RETIRING, LONG LIVE THE KING
7. United in Swedish nursery club deal - Independent
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Daily RED Trivia Wed 20th January 1999:
20/1/1900: Matthew Gillespie scored a hat-trick for Newton Heath as they trounce
Burton Swifts 4-0 in a Division 2 game watched by 4,000. Robert Parkinson also
netted. Team was: Barrett, Stafford, Erentz, Morgan, Griffiths, Cartwright, Bryant,
Gillespie, Parkinson, Jackson, Cassidy.
1973: Jim Holton made his United debut against West Ham United. An aggressive
Centre-half, Holton won a Second Division Championship medal in 1975 despite
breaking his leg during the campaign. The cult figure played 69 times and scored
5 goals between 1973-74, and won 15 Scotland caps. Holton joined Sunderland
in October 1976 and died in 1993.
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Barry Daily Comment:
Plenty of news today, could Fergie retire in 4 years?
Becks is ready for Sunday's FAC tie.
New Survey #34 Question: What is United's best pairing of Centre Backs?
G.Neville & Stam
G.Neville & Johnsen
Berg & G.Neville
Berg & Stam
Johnsen & Stam
Johnsen & Berg
(Question suggested by Gary Heath)
Survey opened: Sun Jan 17 99 20:00 EST
Vote now at: http://www.red11.org/miva/survey.mv
Previous News:
Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
http://www.iol.ie/~redcafe/kidd.htm
Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!
http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/schmeichel.htm
Next games:
ALL Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm
24/1 Liverpool (H) 12.00 Sky Sports FA CUP 4th rnd
31/1 Charlton (A) 15.00 UK
UNITED Stats v All teams:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/08/98 Leicester City Home D 2-2 11 55,052
22/08/98 West Ham United Away D 0-0 11 26,039
09/09/98 Charlton Athletic Home W 4-1 9 55,147
12/09/98 Coventry City Home W 2-0 5 55,193
20/09/98 Arsenal Away L 0-3 10 38,142
24/09/98 Liverpool Home W 2-0 3 55,181
03/10/98 Southampton Away W 3-0 2 15,251
17/10/98 Wimbledon Home W 5-1 2 55,265
24/10/98 Derby County Away D 1-1 2 30,867
31/10/98 Everton Away W 4-1 2 40,079
08/11/98 Newcastle United Home D 0-0 3 55,174
14/11/98 Blackburn Rovers Home W 3-2 2 55,198
21/11/98 Sheffield Wednesday Away L 1-3 2 39,475
29/11/98 Leeds Home W 3-2 2 55,172
05/12/98 Aston Villa Away D 1-1 2 39,241
12/12/98 Tottenham Hotspur Away D 2-2 1 36,079
16/12/98 Chelsea Home D 1-1 2 55,159
19/12/98 Middlebrough Home L 2-3 3 55,152
26/12/98 Notts Forest Home W 3-0 3 55,216
29/12/98 Chelsea Away D 0-0 3 34,741
10/01/99 West Ham United Home W 4-1 3 55,180
16/01/99 Leicester City Away W 6-2 2 22,091
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Champions League:
Group D P W D L F A Pts
Bayern Munich 6 3 2 1 9 6 11
Man United 6 2 4 0 20 11 10
Barcelona 6 2 2 2 11 9 8
Brondby 6 1 0 5 4 18 3
Dec 9 Brøndby 0-2 Barcelona
Dec 9 Man Utd 1-1 Bayern Munich
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CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE QUARTER-FINAL DRAW
Manchester Utd v Inter Milan
Real Madrid v Dynamo Kiev
Juventus v Olympiakos
Bayern Munich v Kaiserslautern
Ties to be played on March 3 and 17
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Chelsea 22 11 10 1 34 18 16 43
2 Aston Villa 22 12 7 3 34 20 14 43
3 Manchester United 22 11 8 3 49 26 23 41
4 Arsenal 22 10 9 3 23 11 12 39
5 Leeds United 22 9 9 4 36 20 16 36
6 Liverpool 22 10 5 7 43 26 17 35
7 Wimbledon 22 9 7 6 29 33 -4 34
8 West Ham United 22 9 5 8 25 31 -6 32
9 Middlesbrough 22 7 10 5 32 28 4 31
10 Derby County 22 7 10 5 22 20 2 31
11 Leicester City 22 7 8 7 25 27 -2 29
12 Tottenham Hotspur 22 7 8 7 28 30 -2 29
13 Sheffield Wednesday 22 7 5 10 25 22 3 26
14 Newcastle United 22 6 7 9 26 31 -5 25
15 Everton 22 5 9 8 13 24 -11 24
16 Blackburn Rovers 22 5 6 11 21 29 -8 21
17 Coventry City 22 5 5 12 21 31 -10 20
18 Charlton Athletic 22 3 8 11 26 36 -10 17
19 Southampton 22 4 5 13 20 46 -26 17
20 Nottingham Forest 22 2 7 13 18 41 -23 13
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Subject : Still young (and stupid), after all these years!
From: Peter Hargreaves
It is times like Saturday when I know that I'm still only ten in my head! I
get a real juvenile satisfaction when we absolutely hammer teams who have
chants such as the no-marks of Leicester did. From almost complete silence
they suddenly discovered their voices with the equaliser. "Same old
Leicester, taking the p**s" - to the tune of 'Pompey Chimes' (for the
youngsters amongst us that goes DA DA DA DA, DA DA DA DA).
When we got our FIFTH, and then even louder when we got the SIXTH, you
could hear "DA DA DA DA, DA DA DA DA" from the Reds! Yes, you guessed -
"Same old Leicester, taking the p**s". Oh how I do love irony like that!
The other no-mark fans I like to beat are Chelsea. Now I go back a long way
(as some of you know) and as a consequence I remember the 'Brylcream Boys'
(Doh - ask your dad if you don't know about this one!!!!! :-) ) who were
Chelsea of the late 60's and early 70's, and they and their fans were a
pain in the arse. Real smooth bast**ds, who also thought they were hard
men. Hard men my arse. I mean let's have it right does anyone really
believe that anyone coming from south of Watford is other than a soft
jessie? Now where was I? Oh yes, the modern day Chelsea and that bloody
song which so irritates me! "You're not very good, you're not very good etc
etc etc". When we got our FIFTH last season, at Stamford Bridge, it was
absolute heaven. In fact I did attract the evil eye of a couple of their
gorillas (er - stewards) at that one, so did me dad! We were sat right at
the far end, adjacent to the Chelsea 'hard men' and for some strange reason
they did not take at all kindly to dad's and my rendition of "Your not
terribly good either, are you?" song!!!
It is many a year (since the late 50's I guess) since dad and I missed a
match at Filbert Street and I can tell you that they've always been
strictly small-time supporters. It is strange how that can be the case. I
mean Leicester is a City and not a small place, yet their fans have always
been 'non-league' in their attitude and opinions. When they beat us in the
League Cup (the Who-really-gives-a-tuppenny-sh*t Cup, or whatever it was
called that year) a couple of years ago (Cruft lost my support that night,
by the way - he looked such an arrogant little tosser and didn't break
sweat for the ninety) you would have thought, from the attitude of their
fans outside the ground after the game, that they had just won the bleeding
TREBLE!!! Sad bast**ds, the lot of them.
Keep the Faith, Pete
P.S. Is it old age, or do I remember, some time ago (but not that long
ago!), people on this (and another List) telling us that Andy Cole couldn't
play the game? They know about as much about football as that two-faced,
hypocritical t**t who runs the England team. Like I said at the time Andy
reminds me of a certain Denis Law and you just DON'T get any better than that.
And as for Jaap Stam? Well I don't remember a better 'footballing'
centre-half since the 50's. Though the period when Brian Greenhoff and
Martin Buchan were paired together (after the much loved and much missed,
Big Jim had broken his leg) were good times in that respect (in the
footballing sense, I mean). Dad made Stam M-O-T-M on Saturday (as he has a
number of times this season) and I said that he looks an absolute 'snip' at
10 mill. This lad could become a really good player!
If we can keep a settled back-four I have a really good feeling about our
chances in Europe. I'm not too worried about midfield or the forward line
(though I do have a view about my/our best team), but I do believe that a
consistent back-four is VITAL to our well-being. Although I like Ronny
Johnsen very much indeed (and have a real liking for the 'honesty' of David
May - what a tragedy with injuries for this smashing lad?) I can't (and
would not wish to) fault Henning Berg. To be honest Stam is such a good
player we could pair anyone with him and we would not go too far wrong. But
if we CAN keep a settled defence it will bode very well for the future.
The bloody P.S. is longer than the mailing!!! I'm just a pillock!
Keep the Faith again, Pete
Peter Hargreaves (United Kingdom)
http://www.cheswem.u-net.com/
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Subject: BECKHAM GIVE GREEN LIGHT FOR CUP CLASH
David Beckham has been given the all-clear to play for Manchester United in
Sunday's FA Cup clash against Liverpool at Old Trafford.
It had been feared the England midfielder might have missed the
fourth-round tie after he limped off with a groin injury during the second
half of Teddy Scott's testimonial against Aberdeen.
Beckham had treatment and has been told he can resume training on Wednesday.
A United spokeswoman said: "David is fine. It was just a little niggle and
he will be training on Wednesday."
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Subject: Fergie to retire in 4 years?
Tuesday January 19, 5:01 PM
Ferguson Hints At Retirement Date
Alex Ferguson has hinted he may retire as Manchester United manager in four
years time.
For the first time Ferguson has suggested he will bring the curtain down on
his glorious Old Trafford reign in 2003.
United are due to open contract negotiations with Ferguson over a new deal
to replace his current agreement, which expires in the summer of 2000.
Ferguson, 57, who has been in charge of the Reds since 1986, has dropped
his broadest hint yet that he will step down when he is 61.
"Who knows? I may ride off into the sunset in four years time," he told the
Manchester Evening News.
Ferguson is already by far the longest-serving manager in the Premier
League and to stay until 2003 would take him just short of 17 years at Old
Trafford.
Ferguson is not the only United figure intent on remaining at the club well
into the Millennium.
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Subject: Leading goalscorers this season
Terry asked about some stats for the leading scorers this season -
goals to games ratio, etc. After a bit of research I can reveal the
following:
mins. on pitch goals mins/goal
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Owen 2721 17 (2 pen.) 160
Yorke 2171 16 136
Cole 2012 15 134
Ricard 2054 13 158
Fowler 1804 13 (3 pen.) 139
Solskjaer 1052 10 105
I couldn't find how many penalties Ricard has scored, but I suspect it's
none (doesn't Andy Townsend take Boro's penalties?).
So of the above list, Cole, Yorke and Solskjaer score at the fastest rate.
Fowler is comparable to Cole and Yorke but three of his goals are
penalties. Owen is leading scorer by virtue of having played the most (and
of course being a pretty good player).
Our old friend Mr. Shearer has scored 9 goals in 2000 minutes on the field
this season (222 mins per goal) - one or two of those might conceivably be
penalties (haven't had time to check that).
Dwight Yorke scored 16 times in 40 appearances last season (223 mins per
goal).
Ken
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Subject: SOLSKJAER Not Going Anywhere
SOLSKJAER STAYING PUT
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is ready to disappoint West Ham manager Harry
Redknapp and remain at Manchester United.
Redknapp has reportedly identified the Norwegian striker as the man to
fill
the void at Upton Park left by John Hartson's record £7.5million move to
Wimbledon.
Solskjaer is on the sidelines at Old Trafford and Norway manager Mils
Johan Semb has warned him his international career will be at risk if he
is not playing regular first-team football. But Solskjaer, who turned
down a £5.5million move to Tottenham in August, is determined to stay at
United and fight for his place.
"If I had been at any other club but United then I think I would have
gone to the manager and asked to leave," he admitted. "But I want to
stay here and win things."
Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole have established themselves as United's
strike pairing, but the patient Solskjaer is prepared to wait for his
chance.
"The manager can see that it is a frustrating time for me and he also
knows I am determined to get my place back and work for the team," he
said.
"If anyone gets injured, and I hope they don't, then I am ready to come
on. We want to win things this year and this is the way to do it.
"If you want to stay at Manchester United and win trophies and be
successful then you have to work through the reserve games and that is
what I am doing."
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Subject: Guardian: THE KING IS RETIRING, LONG LIVE THE KING
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THE KING IS RETIRING, LONG LIVE THE KING
Allotments, brown slacks, dominoes, scotch and ginger. Retirement has a lot
to commend it. Now Alex Ferguson has hinted he craves life's calmer waters
after a decade soaking up success at Manchester United.
Never one to live by half-measures, Ferguson has told the Manchester
Evening News his vision of retirement consists of riding "off into the
sunset in four years time". Fergie's contract expires in the summer of 2000
but, with negotiations with the club to commence shortly, it looks as if
Ferguson will commit himself to another, relatively short-term, contract
before bowing out in 2003.
Given his imminent retirement (well, what's four years in football?), the
race is on for a successor to the most prestigious job in British football.
The only qualification seems to be you've got to be called Brian (the
spelling isn't important). There's Bryan Robson jostling for position with
Brian Kidd and Brian McClair, but The Fiver, mould-breaking as always, is
tentatively backing Tommy Docherty.
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Subject: United in Swedish nursery club deal - Independent
MANCHESTER UNITED are to strike up a deal with Gothenburg to make them
their next nursery club. United will have first call on all the Swedish
side's best players and have agreed to send some of their most promising
youngsters to Sweden on loan in return.
The United manager, Alex Ferguson,will also have the facility to sign
Swedish teenagers and farm them back to Gothenburg for experience to make
sure United are guaranteed the best talent from the country in future.
Ferguson has already let the Norwegian striker Erik Nevland leave this week
and more players could follow this season.
The Gothenburg president, Gunnar Larsson, has been at Old Trafford twice in
the past fortnight to finalise the deal. United's money men will also be
delighted as no cash has changed hands.
United have already brought the Belgian side Royal Antwerp under their
wing, possibly to use them as a back-door route for young non-EU players
who cannot get work permits in Britain. However, Gothenburg are a much
bigger club, regularly in the Champions League.
Ferguson is keen on the Scandinavian market, having recently had a few
youngsters from the area for trials, and Sweden has been the most prolific
producer in the past 20 years. United's Jesper Blomqvist started at Gothenburg.
Ferguson has close friendships at Gothenburg after meeting them twice in
Europe and winning the European Cup-Winners' Cup in the city with Aberdeen.
He is also an honorary Goth, one of the highest honours given to foreigners.
United are also looking at clubs in South Africa and Australia to sign the
best talent and earmark them for Old Trafford.
Denis Irwin will reluctantly quit United if he is not happy with his new
contract offer, he said yesterday. Irwin would like to remain at Old
Trafford when his current one-year deal expires in the summer and he has
already had talks about a new agreement. But the 33-year-old defender knows
he could cash in on a lucrative move to another club under the Bosman
ruling and he will only re-sign with United if he is satisfied with the
terms offered.
"Ideally nobody wants to leave here, but as things are being quoted on the
back pages, whether it's Roy or me, we both want the right deal to stay.
There's a lot of money floating around in football at the moment."
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