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Date: Wed Aug 18 GMT+00:00 1999
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This Issue:
1. Huge Johnsen blow for Fergie + Bosnich latest««
2. The Truth about Roy Keane and Martin Edwards would be nice
3. Ferguson closes in on Bogarde
4. Keano by Terry
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Daily MANCHESTER UNITED NEWS Wed 18th August 1999:
Barry Daily Comment:
Everyone seems to be agreed Raimond is the best goalkeeper at OT.
He makes you feel safe at the back just like BIG Pete. I for
one hope he gets a run in goal this season!
Jordi seems to be on the move more soon on that.
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*** FIXTURES ON 21/08/99 ***
Chelsea v Aston Villa
Coventry City v Derby County
Everton v Southampton
Leeds United v Sunderland
Middlesbrough v Liverpool
Newcastle United v Wimbledon
Sheffield Wednesday v Tottenham Hotspur
Watford v Bradford City
West Ham United v Leicester City
*** FIXTURES ON 22/08/99 ***
Arsenal v Manchester United
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*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 15/08/99 ***
Southampton 4-2 Newcastle United 15,030
*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 16/08/99 ***
Aston Villa 2-2 West Ham United 26,250
*** CONDENSED LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 16/08/99 ***
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Manchester United 3 2 1 0 7 1 6 7
2 Aston Villa 3 2 1 0 6 2 4 7
3 Arsenal 3 2 1 0 4 2 2 7
4 Middlesbrough 3 2 0 1 6 4 2 6
5 Tottenham Hotspur 3 2 0 1 6 4 2 6
6 Southampton 3 2 0 1 5 5 0 6
7 Chelsea 2 1 1 0 6 2 4 4
8 Leeds United 3 1 1 1 3 2 1 4
9 West Ham United 2 1 1 0 3 2 1 4
10 Bradford City 2 1 1 0 2 1 1 4
11 Wimbledon 3 1 1 1 6 6 0 4
12 Leicester City 3 1 1 1 4 4 0 4
13 Sunderland 3 1 1 1 2 4 -2 4
14 Liverpool 2 1 0 1 2 2 0 3
15 Watford 3 1 0 2 3 5 -2 3
16 Coventry City 3 0 1 2 1 3 -2 1
17 Derby County 3 0 1 2 2 5 -3 1
18 Everton 3 0 1 2 3 7 -4 1
19 Sheffield Wednesday 3 0 1 2 2 7 -5 1
20 Newcastle United 3 0 0 3 3 8 -5 0
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 14/08/99 ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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08/08/99 Everton Away D 1-1 10 39,141
11/08/99 Sheffield Wednesday Home W 4-0 3 54,941
14/08/99 Leeds United Home W 2-0 1 55,187
*** TEAM RESULTS SUMMARY - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 14/08/99 ***
P Won Drawn Lost For Against Points
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Home 2 2 (100%) 0 (0%) 0 (0%) 6 (3.0) 0 (0.0) 6 (3.0)
Away 1 0 (0%) 1 (100%) 0 (0%) 1 (1.0) 1 (1.0) 1 (1.0)
Total 3 2 (67%) 1 (33%) 0 (0%) 7 (2.3) 1 (0.3) 7 (2.3)
Averages per game in (brackets)
League position: 1st
Form position: 3rd
Predicted position: 3rd
*** TEAM STATISTICS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 14/08/99 ***
AVERAGE HOME ATTENDANCE: 55,064
HIGHEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 14/08/99 - Leeds United (55,187)
LOWEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (54,941)
BEST WIN: 11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (4-0)
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Subject: First Team Fixtures 1999/2000 [All dates/times subject to change]
Dates of possible cup ties also shown
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/07/99 Melbourne Australia 11.00 W 2-0 F 60,000
18/07/99 Sydney Australia 06.00 W 1-0 F 78,000
21/07/99 Shanghai Shenhua 12.30 W 2-0 F 80,000
24/07/99 Hong Kong South China 08.30 W 2-0 F 40,000
1/08/99 Arsenal Wembley Charity Shield L 1-2 F 70,185
3/08/99 Omagh aid of Omagh Bomb Fund W 9-0 F 7,000
4/08/99 Wigan Athletic friendly. W 2-0 F 15,000
8/08/99 Everton away PL D 1-1 10 39,141
11/08/99 Sheffield Wednesday home PL W 4-0 3 54,941
14/08/99 Leeds United home PL W 2-0 1 55,187
22/08/99 Arsenal away PL 16.00 Live on Sky
25/08/99 Coventry City away PL 20.00
27/08/99 Monaco - Lazio ESC 19.45
30/08/99 Newcastle United home PL 13.00
11/09/99 Liverpool away PL 11.30 Live on Sky
15/09/99 ? EC
18/09/99 Wimbledon home PL 15.00
22/09/99 ? EC
25/09/99 Southampton home PL 15.00
29/09/99 ? EC
3/10/99 Chelsea away PL 16.00 Live on Sky
*11/10/99 Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial OT [Cantona + Schmeichel]
13/10/99 ? WC 3
16/10/99 Watford home PL 15.00
20/10/99 ? EC
23/10/99 Tottenham Hotspur away PL 15.00
27/10/99 ? EC
30/10/99 Aston Villa home PL 15.00
3/11/99 ? EC
6/11/99 Leicester City home PL 15.00
20/11/99 Derby County away PL 15.00
24/11/99 ? EC
27/11/99 Sheffield Wednesday away PL 15.00
30/11/99 Tokyo Palmeiras WCC 20.00
1/12/99 ? WC 4
4/12/99 Everton home PL 15.00
8/12/99 ? EC
15/12/99 ? WC 5
18/12/99 West Ham United away PL 15.00
26/12/99 Bradford City home PL 15.00
28/12/99 Sunderland away PL 20.00 Live on Sky
3/01/2000 Middlesborough home PL 20.00
***** 5-14 /01/2000 Brazil WTC ***** [3-4 games]
12/01/2000 ? WC sf i
15/01/2000 Leeds United away PL 15.00
22/01/2000 Arsenal home PL 15.00
26/01/2000 ? WC sf ii
5/02/2000 Coventry City home PL 15.00
12/02/2000 Newcastle United away PL 15.00
26/02/2000 Wimbledon away PL 15.00
27/02/2000 ? Wembley WC f
1/03/2000 ? EC
4/03/2000 Liverpool home PL 15.00
8/03/2000 ? EC
11/03/2000 Derby County home PL 15.00
15/03/2000 ? EC
18/03/2000 Leicester City away PL 15.00
22/03/2000 ? EC
25/03/2000 Bradford City away PL 15.00
1/04/2000 West Ham United home PL 15.00
5/04/2000 ? EC qf i
8/04/2000 Middlesborough away PL 15.00
15/04/2000 Sunderland home PL 15.00
19/04/2000 ? EC qf ii
22/04/2000 Southampton away PL 15.00
24/04/2000 Chelsea home PL 15.00
29/04/2000 West Ham United away PL 15.00
3/05/2000 ? EC sf i
6/05/2000 Tottenham Hotspur home PL 15.00
10/05/2000 ? EC sf ii
14/05/2000 Aston Villa away PL 15.00
24/05/2000 ? EC f
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Subject: Huge Johnsen blow for Fergie + Bosnich latest««
Man Utd's Ronny Johnsen will almost certainly have to undergo surgery on
his knees - which puts a real question mark against his very career.
United are reeling from the news that the programme of rehabilitation that
the Norway team doctor has put Johnsen under has not worked, and an
operation seems to be the only available alternative.
Lars Engebretsen, the national team doctor, said: "He has not shown a
marked improvement - the training programme has not worked."
Johnsen was pinning all his hopes on the programme being a success, and the
news that an operation is inevitable will come as a hammer blow - because
there's a very real possibility that he may never play football again.
The operation - to cure Johnsen's "jumpers' knees" condition - is fraught
with danger, and is seen as literally the last resort.
Johnsen himself conceded: "There has not been a lot of change. If I could
have recovered in a different way, it would have been better."
The 30 year old will make a definite decision on surgery very soon but,
even if the operation is a complete success, he would still be out of
action until at least after Christmas.
Meanwhile, on the positive side, Ferguson is hoping that summer signing
Mark Bosnich will give the side a massive boost by returning to action
ahead of schedule.
The hamstring strain that forced Bosnich out of Saturday's 2-0 victory over
Leeds was initially thought to keep the Aussie out of first team action for
around a month.
However, it is now thought the problem is not as bad as was first feared.
Ferguson said: "We're hopeful Mark's injury isn't as bad as we thought.
He's going for a scan."
Click On pic - for latest interviews/pics from OT"
Subject: The Truth about Roy Keane and Martin Edwards would be nice
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:02:09 +0100
Over the last few weeks I have listened, read and watched the various
developments on the negotiation of a new contract between Manchester
United and Roy Keane and felt an increasing amount of anger and
frustration. This anger and frustration is directed at ALL parties
that have become 'involved' in the negotiations i.e. Roy Keane, Sir
Alex Ferguson, Martin Edwards, Michael Kennedy (Roy Keane's Adviser)
and various elements of the Media party to exclusive and leaked
stories. The end product has been that all of the above mentioned
parties have their own agenda anything from selling newspapers to
maximizing share price but the common factor in all this is to exert
some control how the Fans perceive each party i.e. 'Injured and Hard
Done By' or bringing you the 'truth about how the said party was
Injured and Hard Done By'. At the risk of aping the Media please
consider the following points:
1.. We have great respect and admiration for Roy Keane as a player
and if he were to re-sign for Manchester United most ManU fans would
be extremely happy, but I feel this respect between Roy Keane and ManU
fans has to be a two way thing. Sadly Roy Keane has started to use the
Media to manipulate our feelings and aspirations for 'our' club.
Consider the following: Roy Keane rejects the first Contract offer
from Manchester United and immediately conducts a number of interviews
with various Media organizations highlighting the fact that 'this was
his final contract as a player and he would not undersell himself,
furthermore he was completely happy at Manchester United and his
family were settled in the Manchester area. However he would NOT sign
if the deal was not correct.' As a ManU fan I have absolutely no
problem with this after all ManU apply market forces in deciding on
Ticket and Merchandising prices so why should not Roy Keane expect a
contract from Manchester United which reflects his market value. The
majority of ManU fans understand this truth and at the time of the
interviews all our support and sympathy was with Roy Keane. In due
course Manchester United presented Roy Keane with an improved Contract
offer and we all hoped that for once Manchester United had put the
interests of the team (and Fans) before the those of the shareholders
i.e. bottom line profits. At this point we were still none the wiser
about what Roy Keane had asked for and what Manchester United had
offered but I feel £40K a week for a footballer of Roy Keane's ability
would be a good reward. We were then told by Michael Kennedy that a
decision on whether the improved contract was acceptable or not would
be made in the next few days. This 'will he or won't he' dragged on
until Saturday 14th August with the Media wiping up a frenzy in the
days leading upto the Leeds game. In the days leading upto the Leeds
game we had Michael Kennedy setting a day for the final decision, Roy
Keane informing us he required more time to think about it, Mr. Moggi
of Juventus informing us that Michael Kennedy had spoken to him on Roy
Keane's behalf, Michael Kennedy contradicting Roy Keane by saying the
decision will be announced on Monday 16th August, Sir Alex Ferguson
remained optimistic but it was NOT a delay due to money, Martin
Edwards saying Manchester United would do everything to keep Roy Keane
and negotiations could drag on into 2000 and to top it all the Media
report that the new contract being offered to Roy Keane matched his
'asking' price of £40K a week (a leaked story from Manchester United
to put pressure on Roy Keane?). Finally Roy Keane makes an
announcement on Saturday in which he deemed the Contract offer to be
'generous', the Board should not be criticised, he loved everything
about Manchester United and he had a duty to his family which ment he
was still undecided about his future. Sir Alex Ferguson remained
optimistic of persuading Roy Keane to stay and Martin Edwards seemed
to contradict Roy Keane by saying 'it was not a question of money'.
The upshot of all this farce is that there is a large amount of
mis-information being passed by all parties (except may be by Sir Alex
Ferguson?) and we as ManU fans have to suffer because we are not
really deserving of the truth. With the information and
mis-information currently available one of the following points are
applicable to Roy Keane's behavior:
- If Manchester United PLC have offered Roy Keane LESS than £40K
(or less than his market value whilst NOT a free transfer) then our
sympathies and support are with Roy Keane and we understand his desire
to move to a different club.
- If Manchester United PLC have offered Roy Keane a contract
which equates to his market value whilst NOT a free transfer then Roy
Keane's behavior has to be deemed reprehensible. This is the man who
in the past has said he wants to get close as possible to Liverpool's
total of 18 Championships and 4 European Cups with Manchester United,
this is the man who constantly reminds us how much he loves all things
Manchester United, so now there is some sort of motivational problem
which pre-cludes Roy Keane from playing for Manchester United. Don't
BULLSHIT us Roy, if you want a FREE transfer just say it - we will
respect you more. There is the probability that if Roy Keane admits
now that he has no intention of signing a new contract, sections of
the crowd will turn against him but at least an admission of truth
shows the courage we have come to expect from Roy Keane.
2.. I believe Martin Edwards is overseeing the disintegration of the
present Manchester United team for his own personal gain, something
which would not have been possible had BSkyB taken control of
Manchester United PLC. The present arrangement is too much in favour
of shareholders who only have a short-to-medium term interest on
Manchester United PLC. Chief amongst this band of self-interested
shareholders is Martin Edwards the Chairman of Manchester United FC.
At the present moment he holds 14% of Manchester United shares and he
has stated his desire to take over the role of Sir Roland Smith, who
is to retire soon. To take this new job role Martin Edwards feels he
should reduce his holding in Manchester United so he is actively
seeking to sell his shares. This scenario is of no concern in a
'standard' PLC where what is good for a chairman holding shares in
that PLC is good for shareholders of the PLC, but in the case of
Manchester United PLC (and other football clubs quoted on the stock
market) we have a Chairman in place who has no long term interest in
maintaining a high share price (and presumably a successful Manchester
United). To Martin Edwards only the next 18 months is of importance
hence a high profit margin must be maintained, resulting in a high
dividend payment to the shareholders and a high share price to be
negotiated as he sells his shares. Obviously the biggest short term
threat to the profitability of the club are players wages and transfer
fees, but in the short term the high profile players such a Giggs,
Beckham, Stam, Yorke are on contracts which are within the pay
structure and when negotiations start for new contracts (in 1 year)
Martin Edwards will have sold his shares. At that time Martin Edwards
will be able to absolve himself of any responsibility if players
refuse new contracts and/or the Manchester United team starts to
DISINTEGRATE. If BSkyB had managed to buy a controlling share in
Manchester United PLC then I believe the interests of BSkyB would have
dovetailed better with the aspirations of the fans (which is to see a
successful team) because whilst BSkyB may not know a great deal about
running a football club, they understand football as a televised
product. BSkyB understand that for their £650M+ investment a £20M-
£30M profit per annum is not of great consequence, more importantly a
successful football team over a long time with some world class
players (with the necessary world class salaries) is likely to
generate a better Pay-Per-View income stream in mature markets whilst
the Manchester United Brand can be used as a point of entry into
developing markets. It would not have been in the financial interests
of BSkyB to allow the Manchester United team to disintegrate.
Bal Sanghera
(Manchester United Season Ticket Holder)
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Subject: Ferguson closes in on Bogarde
By Graham Hunter
Tuesday, August 17, 1999
Manchester United are preparing to move for Barcelona's £6m-rated Holland
defender Winston Bogarde.
Sir Alex Ferguson is short of cover in defence after injuries to Ronny
Johnsen, Gary Neville and Wes Brown and believes 28-year-old Bogarde fits
the bill.
Bogarde, who plays alongside United's Jaap Stam at international level, is
willing to quit the Nou Camp but United will need to be convinced that he
has recovered fully from the fractured leg which kept him out of the second
half of last season.
Bogarde has remained determined to play in the Premiership since a move to
Liverpool broke down on the day it was due to be completed two seasons ago.
United have tried to watch him twice in the last week but have been
thwarted both times by Barcelona coach Louis van Gaal's decision to leave
him on the bench.
The player has also been frustrated at not playing and one of his former
Ajax colleagues told Soccernet last night: 'Barcelona knew Manchester
United had somebody there and Winston was eager to play. He was not happy
to be on the bench.'
Van Gaal already has Frank de Boer and Sergi as left-sided defenders and is
said to be shopping around for another, which indicates that Bogarde's
first-team opportunities may decrease still further.
Click On pic - for latest interviews/pics from OT"
Subject: Keano by Terry
It's me again, but with a temporary email address and patchy access to
a computer. I'm no longer eating sand in Saudi and am between drinks at
the moment so I can't stay long.
On the Keano debate, I must agree with those who think he's definitely
going at the end of the season. He's simply waiting to see what teams
like Juve or Inter will offer him come January 1st when he's entitled
to enter into pre-contract agreements. If the ludicrously mop-headed
McManaman can swindle 59,000 pounds a week out of Real Madrid, then
Keano should be able to better that. The only risks he's running are
getting another serious injury and prospective buyers waking up to the
fact that he's 29 next year and likes a Guinness or three.
The trouble for us is that we can't win. We can leave things as they
are but then watch the value of an asset dwindle to nothing (in the
process losing money that would help fund a committed replacement, if
such a thing exists). Or we could sell him now and seriously affect the
team's chances of winning more silverware. Even if we start fishing
around tentatively for a replacement, it sends a signal to Keano that
he's not wanted and will probably hasten his departure.
Ah well, players come and go. If he does leave, we will certainly have
had our money's worth out of him, and there'll be someone else ready
and willing to take over. Paul Ince for example has a bright future.
Ah, another glass has arrived. Must go now.
______________
Terry
not in Saudi
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