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Date: Sat Jul 17 03:37:29 GMT 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. Haydock Park Raceday
2. www.red11.org REDitorial - DMC
3. United in talks with Inter ace
4. FANS KEANE FOR SKIPPER TO STAY
5. Keane digs in for long fight
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Bill's Daily Comment:
Thanks to MasterFan Paul Hinson for doing the Daily News for the
week while Barry is off on vacation. I'll pick it up now until
Barry returns on Monday.
Two great personal articles today. A REDitorial by DMC, and
a personal report from Pat Jennings who met the UNITED
players last week at Haydock. Be sure to check out Pat's
up close and personal pics of the UNITED players!
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NEXT MATCHES
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01-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal (FA Charity Shield, AWAY)
08-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Everton (FA Premier League, AWAY)
11-AUG-1999 [20:00] Manchester Utd. vs Sheffield W (FA Premier League, HOME)
14-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leeds U (FA Premier League, HOME)
22-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal (FA Premier League, AWAY)
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UNITED Stats v All teams:
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*** FINAL PREMIER LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 16/05/99 ***
Pos Team P W D L F A W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Manchester United 38 14 4 1 45 18 8 9 2 35 19 43 79
2 Arsenal 38 14 5 0 34 5 8 7 4 25 12 42 78
3 Chelsea 38 12 6 1 29 13 8 9 2 28 17 27 75
4 Leeds United 38 12 5 2 32 9 6 8 5 30 25 28 67
Here are all the matches for the coming season 1999/2000:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899.htm
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000 [All dates/times subject to change]
(Dates of possible cup ties also shown)
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/07/99 Melbourne Australia 11.00 pre-season -
18/07/99 Sydney Australia 06.00 pre-season -
21/07/99 Shanghai Shenhua 12.30 pre-season -
24/07/99 Hong Kong South China 08.30 pre-season -
1/08/99 Arsenal Wembley Charity Shield -
3/08/99 Omagh Town friendly in aid of Omagh Bomb Fund
4/08/99 Wigan Athletic friendly at JJB Stadium.
8/08/99 Everton away 16.00
11/08/99 Sheffield Wednesday home PL 20.00
14/08/99 Leeds United home PL 15.00
22/08/99 Arsenal away PL 16.00
25/08/99 Coventry City away PL 20.00
27/08/99 Monaco - Lazio ESC 19.45
30/08/99 Newcastle United home PL 13.00
11/09/99 Liverpool away PL 11.30
15/09/99 ? EC
18/09/99 Wimbledon home PL 15.00
22/09/99 ? EC
25/09/99 Southampton home PL 15.00
29/09/99 ? EC
3/10/99 Chelsea away PL 16.00
*11/10/99 Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial OT [Schmeichel]
13/10/99 ? WC 3
16/10/99 Watford home PL 15.00
20/10/99 ? EC
23/10/99 Tottenham Hotspur away PL 15.00
27/10/99 ? EC
30/10/99 Aston Villa home PL 15.00
3/11/99 ? EC
6/11/99 Leicester City home PL 15.00
20/11/99 Derby County away PL 15.00
24/11/99 ? EC
27/11/99 Sheffield Wednesday away PL 15.00
30/11/99 Tokyo Palmeiras WCC 20.00
1/12/99 ? WC 4
4/12/99 Everton home PL 15.00
8/12/99 ? EC
11/12/99 FAC 3 Will not enter ...
15/12/99 ? WC 5
18/12/99 West Ham United away PL 15.00
26/12/99 Bradford City home PL 15.00
28/12/99 Sunderland away PL 20.00
3/01/2000 Middlesborough home PL 20.00
***** 5-14 /01/2000 Brazil WTC ***** [3-4 games]
* 8/01/2000 FAC 4 Will not enter ...
12/01/2000 ? WC sf i
15/01/2000 Leeds United away PL 15.00
22/01/2000 Arsenal home PL 15.00
26/01/2000 ? WC sf ii
* 29/01/2000 FAC 5 Will not enter ...
5/02/2000 Coventry City home PL 15.00
12/02/2000 Newcastle United away PL 15.00
* 19/02/2000 FAC 6 Will not enter ...
26/02/2000 Wimbledon away PL 15.00
27/02/2000 ? Wembley WC f
1/03/2000 ? EC
4/03/2000 Liverpool home PL 15.00
8/03/2000 ? EC
11/03/2000 Derby County home PL 15.00
15/03/2000 ? EC
18/03/2000 Leicester City away PL 15.00
22/03/2000 ? EC
25/03/2000 Bradford City away PL 15.00
1/04/2000 West Ham United home PL 15.00
5/04/2000 ? EC qf i
8/04/2000 Middlesborough away PL 15.00
* 9/04/2000 FAC sf Will not enter ...
15/04/2000 Sunderland home PL 15.00
19/04/2000 ? EC qf ii
22/04/2000 Southampton away PL 15.00
24/04/2000 Chelsea home PL 15.00
29/04/2000 West Ham United away PL 15.00
3/05/2000 ? EC sf i
6/05/2000 Tottenham Hotspur home PL 15.00
10/05/2000 ? EC sf ii
14/05/2000 Aston Villa away PL 15.00
* 20/05/2000 Wembley FAC f Will not enter ...
24/05/2000 ? EC f
http://www.red11.org/mufc/match.htm
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* Pre season tour details JULY 1999 *
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** Friendly at Salford City **
Salford City, the North Western Trains League club, are to play a friendly
against a side from their "big brother" neighbours Manchester United, at
their Moor Lane ground (in Kersal) on Saturday July 17th at 3pm.
Melbourne Sydney
Thu 15/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS evening in Melbourne
at the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground- capacity 90,000.) kick off 20.00hrs.
- Melbourne Cricket Ground 5 minutes from the city. Good transport available
Tickets available - starts from $60.00 - behind the goal -next up is $90.00,
$130.00 and $150.00
Sun 18/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS STADIUM AUSTRALIA, Olympic Boulevard,
Homebush Bay, Sydney NEW SOUTH WALES 15.00 local time
Tickets for Sydney game try here:
http://www.ticketek.com.au/frame.asp?url=search/search.asp
then type MANCHESTER in the search field.
+ Far East
Wed 21/7 Shangai first time ever!!!
This match will be watched by 80,000 fans
The game has sold out with the Shanghai Star reporting the home side's
chairman Yu Zhifei as saying: ''It is unprecedented that the tickets
should sell out for a match five weeks in advance."
Sat 24/7 Hong Kong Repeat of the 1997 game
"ALL matches will be shown "the same day" om MUTV.
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THE FANTASTIC TRIPLE WAS WON!!
Personal stories here: http://www.red11.org/mufc/barcelona.htm
We went to Barcelona in a fine day in May
And all our supporters sang loudly & gay
And when it was over and all said and done
We beat Bayern Munich by 2 goals to 1
The first one was Teddy's he out foxed the rest
The second was Solskjear's he's simply the best
We could have had 4 or we could have had 9
But we didn't start playing till injury time
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Subject: Haydock Park Raceday
Pat Jennings & a lucky group of REDS were at
Haydock Park Raceday last Sunday. They were
treated to a dinner with the UNITED players
and a close up look at the TREBLE...
Read Pat's report + 25 AMAZING PICS!!!
http://www.red11.org/mufc/listpics/special/haydock99/haydock.htm
Subject: www.red11.org REDitorial - DMC
I thought we'd have a quiet close season basking in the glories of the
Treble, but...............
Having Your Cake & Eating It Too
- The Devil May Care -
Having your cake and eating it too is what business people attempt to do
all the time. But after they've gorged themselves who has to do the washing
up?
I was brought up on football as a game but now it's a business, or at least
that's what we are told. It's what is rammed down our throats every day.
But if it is a business then those who make the business successful should
surely be paid the going rate for the job they perform within the business.
That's how it works, doesn't it?
But Martin Edwards and the plc seem to want their cake and eat it too. So
who goes on corporate jollies all over the bloody world on club expenses in
order to promote the "brand" (as he nausiatingly loves to refer to it) of
Manchester United then? Martin Edwards of course. But how can he be seen to
do what's best for the club when he can't find a way to hold on to one of
the business' greatest assets.
Surely that can't be looking after the business interests of the club can
it? What makes more business sense, paying our most influential player a
top wage or allowing him to leave at the end of the season for nothing and
then having to pay £20 million to replace him and then put that player on
the wages Roy Keane is trying to negotiate for himself anyway? Come on
Martin, if you want to run the business and promote the "brand" you have to
play by the rules. - you bastard well made them after all.
And whether us purists like it or not, I don't think there can be any doubt
that Manchester United is now a business, a global money making machine
that sells wherever it's marketed. But why does it sell - the team on the
pitch of course. And why do we buy into the "brand" the team on the pitch
of course. And why is the team on the pitch that good they make so much
money for this Manchester United "brand" - one, because the team is made up
of some of the best players around including the pivotal force, Roy Keane
and second, because they are managed by the greatest living manager. And
has anyone consulted him about this impasse I wonder.
I think we also need to ask the question why is this all being aired in
public? Why is every newspaper making mileage out of this? Who leaked the
story in the first place? I trust it wasn't Martin Edwards. He was busy
throwing his toys out of his pram a while ago - now I know he's got lots
and lots of toys, but is he still throwing them out? Manchester United
promoting the "brand" my arse - they're holding the club captain up as an
example - standing him in front of the class and threatening him with
expulsion.
It's simple then - without the team on the pitch "the brand" will not sell,
the business becomes less successful and Martin and his like make less
money. You can't gorge yourself on the corporate cake Marty and then expect
not to have to pay for it. It's simple business practice - keep the workers
happy and they will keep you in riches. And keeping them happy means you
have to pay them what they see as a "fair" wage.
Now as far as I'm concerned a 'fair' wage is not the reported £40,000 a
week we seem to be talking about - I mean how much money does someone need?
This is football after all, but it's also entertainment which attracts
countless people all over the world and that is how it is viewed these
days. The precedent has been set. In the music business - the top
performers are paid an enormous amount of money because they bring
entertainment to millions. So it is with football since the advent of
worldwide TV coverage - they are the entertainers, the pop stars of sport.
Image is god.
But why is it that way? Let's face it the powers that be have made the
'game' into what it is today and so they have to live with their decisions
and abide by the rules they have created - you can't have your cake and eat
it.
Roy Keane didn't decide the destiny of football and neither should he be
held up as an example of what to do when someone is seen to rock the
corporate boat. He only wants a slice of their cake and as one of the
world's top midfielders who's to say he shouldn't have it? He is a major
force behind the success of the business and therefore Martin's beloved
"brand".
So with Edwards and his like setting up Manchester United Football Club and
turning it into a marketable item we are forced (perhaps kicking and
screaming) into a new age. We have to accept their rules - or do we?
What is the future of the game?
Will the players bite the hand that feeds them? Will the sponsors and new
age followers still attend when the game is totally bereft of atmosphere
because those of us who want to vocally support or team are either so
pissed off we don't go or can't afford to go?
In my opinion the ultimate answer to this mess - and it is a mess, should
come from the governing bodies: the FA, UEFA and FIFA. But getting them
together around a table to discuss anything sensible about the future of
the game would be impossible. They are too busy bitching about each other
to even consider the future.
So the ultimate answer must rest with us - the fans.
What exactly do WE want from what was once called "the people's game"?
We are the customers of the business after all. So why then are we treated
so badly? That's easy - we are the captive audience, the ultimate dream of
the money men. Hundreds of thousands of indoctrinated, drug crazed idiots
who follow the "brand" whatever - who loyally attend games, buy the
merchandise and spread the gospel everywhere we go.
BUT.
What if we ultimately take control of our own destinies? Rise up and
reclaim the game for ourselves? Wouldn't that be the real answer?
And isn't it beginning to happen - we've defeated them once over the BSkyB
bid haven't we, and what of the FA Cup? IMUSA met with the FA yesterday and
Banks is meeting next week - would that have happened a year ago? I don't
think so. This month a conference organised by United supporter Jonathan
Michie, was held to discuss the future of the game and some high ranking
people attended. A Coalition of Football Supporters has also been formed,
the FSA has more power and the Football Taskforce has David Mellor - it's
not all going so well then, but it's a step or two in the right direction.
But what of Roy Keane then?
There's no doubt in my mind a compromise should be reached and if it isn't
we may as well kiss him goodbye and say hello to an even more temporary
playing staff, because make no mistake Roy Keane is a Manchester United
player, he's just negotiating with the business. he's playing by the rules
- their rules, not his.
If Roy goes, the greedy self interested money men will have won. They will
once again be top dogs and we will be back to the same old dictatorial
regime. We will never see Manchester United anymore, it really will be the
"brand" forever and we will simply be pawns in the rough, tough business of
football - there solely for the benefit of the butcher's boy, the plc and
the shareholders.
So - option 1:
Negotiate a compromise with the captain. Force a review of the game. Force
negotiation with the customers and let us decide the fate and future of
football.
Or - option 2:
RIP Manchester United may you rest in peace. Thanks for everything - the
Babes, Sir Matt, Denis, Bobby and George, Doc's Army, Norman, Sparky and
Robbo, the doubles and the treble. I've enjoyed supporting you for the last
40 years. Thanks for the miracle of Barcelona, I'll remember it for the
rest of my life, but I'm afraid nothing will ever be the same again. Thanks
Martin Edwards and the plc, you have finally managed to destroy the legend
and turn it into your own personal cash cow.
Option 1 or option 2 - the choice is yours.
I know which one I'd chose - stand up and fight for the game you love.
The Devil May Care - DMC.
Subject: United in talks with Inter ace
World Cup winner Youri Djorkaeff is in talks with Manchester
United and is keen to make the move to Old Trafford in the next
24 hours.
The Inter Milan ace would be available at a cut-price £2m, and
his agent was locked in talks with the treble winners yesterday.
His brother Denis, who acts as the player's agent, said:
"Discussions with United have already progressed very far. We
hope to get everything sorted out within the next 24 hours."
Real Madrid, Real Betis, Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle have all
shown an interest in the 31-year-old, but the player clearly has
his sights set on a move to United.
Djorkaeff said: "If I had the choice between joining Chelsea or
United, I would move to Manchester - simply because they are
the best club on the planet."
Subject: FANS KEANE FOR SKIPPER TO STAY
Manchester United fans have urged the Treble winners to stump up
the cash to keep influential skipper Roy Keane at Old Trafford.
Sir Alex Ferguson has already insisted the club must hold on to
the fulcrum of the side but Keane has repeated his threat to
leave if he is not offered the new contract he wants.
The Republic of Ireland midfielder, who has one year left on his
current deal, has already rejected the club's first approach and
is determined to hold out for what he feels he is worth.
United fans agree with Sir Alex that Keane is crucial to the
Reds and they do not think Keane would carry out his threat and
turn his back on the club.
Andy Walsh, chairman of the Independent Manchester United
Supporters Association, said: "The supporters want Roy Keane to
stay at Manchester United and the key to all this is that the
player himself wants to stay.
"The top players are very well paid and there comes a point when
they must weigh up the success they've achieved in their
professional lives against the riches to be earned. "It's been
shown to Roy Keane that if he stays at Manchester United with
Alex Ferguson, there will be success. "Most fans would say that
the club should not be held to ransom, but the club should also
be a little bit more imaginative in the remuneration package
being offered to him." Keane, who turns 28 next month,
reportedly wants £2million a season to commit his future to Old
Trafford. This would shatter the club's pay structure and it
appears much talking remains before a new deal can be agreed.
Subject: Keane digs in for long fight
By Ken Lawrence
Saturday, July 17, 1999
Roy Keane will not be intimidated by attempts to force him into signing a new
contract on Manchester United's terms.
Even if United decide to offer him for sale rather than hope that negotiations
resolve the deadlock with their captain, the Irishman is likely to reject a move
until the end of the season.
United may cash in on the player instead of letting his £20million value diminish
to nothing by next summer if they cannot come to an agreement with him.
But Keane knows that by allowing his current contract to expire, thus becoming
a free agent under the Bosman rule, he would guarantee himself not only a
£3mper-year contract from interested parties such as Inter Milan and Juventus,
but also a signing-on fee of at least another £3m.
The 27-year-old midfielder says he would prefer to stay at Old Trafford but the
lure of playing in Serie A is becoming strong while United insist they will not
shatter their pay policy to keep him.
He is aware of the financial incentive of going abroad. Whereas he wants
£40,000 per week from United, he could expect £60,000 a week in Italy.
Pic Link today is http://www.red11.org/mufc/pics_july99.htm
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