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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Wed Feb 17 08:18:58 GMT+00:00 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Man Utd v Arsenal - the preview Tuesday February 16,
2. Ferguson the controller on title flight path 
3. Keegan for England!
4. Andy Cole PIN
5. FANS VOTE CANTONA TOP OF THE PILE
6. www.webu.nu/manu - Arsenal Game & FormGuide Updates

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Daily RED Trivia  Wednesday 17th February 1999:

17/2/1905: Billy Dale born in Manchester. A stylish Full-back, Dale made his debut against
 Leicester City in August 1928, and made 68 appearances between 1928-31 before
 joining Manchester City in December 1931. With City he won a League Championship
 medal in 1937. 

1951: United beat Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1 at Old Trafford in a Division 1 game
 watched by 42,022. Brian Birch and Jack Rowley scored the goals. Team was:
 Allen, McNulty, Carey, Gibson, Chilton, Cockburn, Birkett, Pearson, Aston,
 Birch, Rowley.

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Barry Daily Comment:

United have signed 17 year-old Bojan Djordic
on a 4 year contract from Brommapoj-karna (based in Stockholm).   He is a
left-sided midfielder and will come to OT in the summer.  He is the son of
a Yugoslav international and Red Star Belgrade player, but was born in
Sweden.  Alex hasn't actually seen him play yet but said
".......my staff who have seen him say he's marvellous.  He is the best
young player in Sweden."

+++++  Hot off Italian teletext: 
Ronaldo is 'definitely' OUT for the quarter
final first leg in Manchester on 3 March. His right knee is not
improving fast enough and now a problem had developed with the left one.
www.red11.org Survey #37:  Who was/is United's best uncapped player?

Steve Bruce	      52	69.3% ***
Jimmy Greenhoff	       7	9.3%
Jack Crompton	       5	6.7%
David May	       4	5.3%
Charlie Mitten	       3	4.0%
Eddie Colman	       2	2.7%
Alan Gowling	       1	1.3%
Charlie Moore	       1	1.3%
    Total votes:    75 voted	

Barry Comment: Steve Bruce ran away with this one!
I expected Eddie Colman and even David May to figure but no way, 
70% of votes went for Steve!!! 

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NEW www.red11.org Survey #38: 
Does Roy Keane deserve £40,000 a week?
 Vote here: http://www.red11.org/miva/survey.mv


Previous News:
 Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
  http://www.iol.ie/~redcafe/kidd.htm
Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!
   http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/schmeichel.htm

Next games: 
ALL Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm

Today! Arsenal    (H)  20.00 
20 Coventry       (A)  15.00
27 Southampton    (H)  15.00

UNITED Stats v All teams:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/


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*** FIXTURES TODAY ***

         Aston Villa  v  Leeds United
             Chelsea  v  Blackburn Rovers
             Everton  v  Middlesbrough
   Manchester United  v  Arsenal
    Newcastle United  v  Coventry City

*** FIXTURES ON 20/02/99 ***
             Arsenal  v  Leicester City
    Blackburn Rovers  v  Sheffield Wednesday
       Coventry City  v  Manchester United
        Derby County  v  Charlton Athletic
        Leeds United  v  Everton
           Liverpool  v  West Ham United
       Middlesbrough  v  Tottenham Hotspur
   Nottingham Forest  v  Chelsea
         Southampton  v  Newcastle United

*** FIXTURES ON 21/02/99 ***
           Wimbledon  v  Aston Villa


*** LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 13/02/99 ***

Pos Team                  P   W   D   L   F   A   GD  Pts
---------------------------------------------------------
 1  Manchester United    25  14   8   3  59  27   32   50
 2  Chelsea              24  12  10   2  35  19   16   46
 3  Arsenal              24  12   9   3  28  11   17   45
 4  Aston Villa          24  12   7   5  36  25   11   43
 5  Liverpool            25  11   5   9  47  30   17   38
 6  Derby County         25   9  10   6  25  22    3   37
 7  Leeds United         24   9   9   6  36  24   12   36
 8  West Ham United      25  10   6   9  27  36   -9   36
 9  Wimbledon            24   9   8   7  29  35   -6   35
10  Middlesbrough        24   7  11   6  33  31    2   32
11  Tottenham Hotspur    24   7  10   7  29  31   -2   31
12  Newcastle United     24   8   7   9  29  32   -3   31
13  Leicester City       24   7   9   8  25  29   -4   30
14  Sheffield Wednesday  24   8   5  11  27  23    4   29
15  Blackburn Rovers     24   6   7  11  25  31   -6   25
16  Coventry City        24   6   6  12  23  32   -9   24
17  Everton              24   5   9  10  14  27  -13   24
18  Charlton Athletic    25   5   8  12  29  37   -8   23
19  Southampton          24   5   5  14  23  47  -24   20
20  Nottingham Forest    25   3   7  15  21  51  -30   16


*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 06/02/99 ***

Date        Opposition       Score   Pos.   Attend.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal 	   	     Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181
03/10/98    Southampton              Away     W  3-0     2    15,251
17/10/98    Wimbledon                Home     W  5-1     2    55,265
24/10/98    Derby County             Away     D  1-1     2    30,867
31/10/98    Everton                  Away     W  4-1     2    40,079
08/11/98    Newcastle United         Home     D  0-0     3    55,174
14/11/98    Blackburn Rovers         Home     W  3-2     2    55,198
21/11/98    Sheffield Wednesday      Away     L  1-3     2    39,475
29/11/98    Leeds United             Home     W  3-2     2    55,172
05/12/98    Aston Villa              Away     D  1-1     2    39,241
12/12/98    Tottenham Hotspur        Away     D  2-2     1    36,079
16/12/98    Chelsea                  Home     D  1-1     2    55,159
19/12/98    Middlesbrough            Home     L  2-3     3    55,152
26/12/98    Nottingham Forest        Home     W  3-0     3    55,216
29/12/98    Chelsea                  Away     D  0-0     3    34,741
10/01/99    West Ham United          Home     W  4-1     3    55,180
16/01/99    Leicester City           Away     W  6-2     2    22,091
31/01/99    Charlton Athletic        Away     W  1-0     1    20,043
03/02/99    Derby County             Home     W  1-0     1    55,174
06/02/99    Nottingham Forest        Away     W  8-1     1    30,025

******
  
Champions League:
Group D         P  W  D  L  F  A   Pts
Bayern Munich   6  3  2  1  9  6  11   
Man United      6  2  4  0 20 11  10
Barcelona       6  2  2  2 11  9   8    
Brondby         6  1  0  5  4 18   3   

Dec  9 Brøndby         0-2  Barcelona
Dec  9 Man Utd         1-1  Bayern Munich

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CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE QUARTER-FINAL DRAW
 Manchester Utd    v   Inter Milan
 Real Madrid       v   Dynamo Kiev
 Juventus          v   Olympiakos
 Bayern Munich     v   Kaiserslautern

 Ties to be played on March 3 and 17

FAC Quarter Finals Draw ties to be
played the weekend of Saturday, March 6:

Newcastle United or Blackburn Rovers v Everton  
Barnsley v Leeds United or Spurs  
Arsenal or Sheffield United v Huddersfield Town or Derby  
Manchester United v Chelsea (Sunday 7/3 1400 hrs UK)

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Subject: Man Utd v Arsenal - the preview Tuesday February 16, Man Utd v Arsenal - the preview Tuesday February 16, 1999 Kick-off 8pm Referee Gary Willard (West Sussex) Odds Man Utd 11-8 on, Arsenal 10-3, draw 9-4 League form Man Utd WWWWW, Arsenal WDWWW Last season Manchester United 0, Arsenal 1 (Overmars) Arsenal 3 (Anelka, Vieira, Platt) Manchester United 2 (Sheringham 2) Leading league scorers Arsenal: Anelka (8); Man Utd: Yorke (15) The implications Arsenal begin this clash third in the table, five points behind United at the top, but with a game in hand. After last year's Premiership triumph, the usual intimidatory atmosphere associated with a visit to Old Trafford will carry little weight with the Gunners. Indeed Arsenal's recent record against Alex Ferguson's men is outstanding. Their victory at Highbury earlier this season was their fourth in a year, and gives them a distinct psychological edge. Having already ended Chelsea's long unbeaten run, Arsene Wenger's team lack nothing in self belief and if United emulate their lack-lustre performance in the FA Cup against Fulham, they will be punished. Alex Ferguson has never denied that the period prior to the resumption of the Champions League is crucial to United's Premiership campaign, and this fixture provides an opportunity to extend their lead at the top to seven points. Jesper Blomqvist looks a certainty to play, in an attempt to stretch a compact Arsenal defence. Meanwhile the absence of Emmanuel Petit through suspension, who was a powerful defensive force in the match at Highbury, means there may be room for Dwight Yorke to pull his marker away from goal. Marc Overmars scored the winner in the equivalent fixture last season, and will again be important if Arsenal look to play on the break, as will the speed of Nicolas Anelka. New signing Nwankwo Kanu is a player with sublime skills that belie his height, and the Nigerian international will provide an extra dimension to the Arsenal attack if he is given the chance.
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Subject: Ferguson the controller on title flight path Jim White talks to Alex Ferguson about Arsenal, Internazionale and the secret of United's success Wednesday February 17, 1999 A certain media tycoon might reckon he is about to buy the place lock, stock market listing and barrel of own-label lager, but any visitor to The Cliff, the club's training ground, is left in no doubt from the moment they arrive over who runs Manchester United. 'Strictly Private', reads the note on the door of the changing-room building. 'Absolutely no admission without the manager's permission'. Step through and you are entering Alex Ferguson's domain, where for the past 12 years he has been plotting, scheming, controlling; a decade and a bit which has seen the departure and arrival of four Liverpool managers, five England bosses, and 11 incumbents of the ejector seat known as Maine Road; a dozen years in which his routine has hardly varied: in at 7.30 every morning with a gale of energy, doing three things at once. Today he is talking to the Guardian, working on his autobiography and organising loan spells for several junior members of his squad before any of his players have got up. Possibly before some of them have gone to bed. Though probably not. 'Hey, I know exactly what all of them are up to,' he says. 'Every one of them.' This is Alex Ferguson at his most relaxed. Despite a schedule which would exhaust a man half his age, this is where he has fun; so much fun, he has no intention of stopping. 'It pisses me off when everyone says: 'He'll be retiring if he wins this, he'll retire if he doesn't win that',' he says. 'I don't think achievement decides when you go. Or age. The important thing is when your energy levels go down, and mine are the same as they were eight years ago. I still feel fit, I still feel healthy, why should I retire? I don't think the time even to assess it will be until I'm in my sixties.' In his domain, Ferguson is a very different proposition from the edgy, taut figure seen in the dug-out, chewing gum, flourishing his stop-watch, frustrated by his inability to exert any influence over events. Here he is expansive, hospitable, engaging. Because here he is in control. 'Control is everything in management,' he says, putting the finishing touches to a round of toast and marmalade. 'Unless you have control, you can't have a vision, targets, dreams. In football life, the only thing that gives you control is time and the only thing that buys you time is success. Not every manager has time, unfortunately. Some of them have run out of time the moment they get to a job.' Though, as his pitch-side demeanour would suggest, there are limits to how much control even Ferguson can exercise. Take last season when his United seemed poised for everything, the planning appeared on target. Yet, to the profound relief of half the nation, they ended up with nothing. Does he believe he has destiny more firmly in his grasp this time? 'We were doing fine till we got the injuries last year,' he says. 'When you're going into the big games you need your best players. But this year, the squad is stronger, much stronger. So I'm much more optimistic.' His optimism stems, he says, not just from the way the new players - and the returning Roy Keane - have added new possibilities, but also from the manner in which they have solved old problems. Take Jaap Stam, he says, who offers a solidity at the back, missing since the prime of Gary Pallister and Steve Bruce. 'That spell earlier this year when we kept drawing, the reason was simple, the defending wasn't good enough. So we've done more on the training ground on defending this year than I can remember in my time here and we're getting the organisation back. I set off with the intention of playing [Ronnie] Johnsen alongside Stam. But he's had injuries, so [Gary] Neville did a spell and then [Henning] Berg. But I think, eventually and long term it will be [Wes] Brown.' Then there is Dwight Yorke, the £12 million deal. 'There was something about Yorke that always worried me when we played him, and there's not many I can say that about in English football,' he says. 'I used to say to Pallister, watch him, watch he doesn't get in behind you, watch he doesn't turn you. I tried for him two years ago and he signed a new contract, which was a big disappointment. So I wasn't going to lose him this time. I tell you what he does for us, he does what Cantona did. He scores important goals. Whatever the game, you think: Yorkie'll get us one.' There is another thing about Yorke: he has made a weapon out of Andy Cole. Did Ferguson think that would get two of the top three strikers in the league when he handed over that £12 million to Doug Ellis? 'No, absolutely not, it's a piece of luck. I admit I had no idea,' he says. 'My main job was to get Yorke into this club. What I wanted, what I planned for, was to play him alongside [Patrick] Kluivert. I wanted Kluivert because I felt we needed a physical presence back in the club, we'd become a little lightweight, no question. But then when Yorkie and Andy clicked, wow. What I think Yorke has done for Cole is he's made him more relaxed. He's a clever boy Andy, bright. He looked at how Yorkie was, how relaxed, and he thought, this is possible. And he's taken a bit of that manner on. I mean, Yorkie, what a personality. He misses a sitter and he smiles!' Yorke and Cole, however, will face the toughest opposition when they face Internazionale's parsimonious defence in the Champions League quarter-final next month. A different proposition from Nottingham Forest, for instance. 'The thing that worries me about Inter, who've not been playing well recently by the way, is that they are capable of playing badly and winning,' Ferguson says. 'They have that Italian mentality which is so disciplined they think a 1-0 win is a triumph. There was a change brought about in Italy by Milan and then taken on by Juventus, of more attacking football, almost 4-3-3. Inter, maybe, have gone back more to the old way of defending and not giving goals away. Very hard to play against.' Not to mention Ronaldo. 'The case of Ronaldo is straightforward,' he adds. 'On his day he can beat anyone. So, first thing, you hope it's not his day. But you also organise to ensure you minimalise the damage.' The game against Inter is but one of three in a month which will largely shape Ferguson's season. There is also Chelsea in the FA Cup ('they're the best team we've played this season, Chelsea, played us off the park up here'). But first there is the Premiership summit meeting tonight. And it must be remembered that last year something other than injuries helped wreck Ferguson's best-laid plans: Arsenal. Moreover, under another manager who likes to leave little to chance, the Highbury club seem to be moving into gear again, poised to wrest control once more. 'That was some run last year, so perfectly timed,' Ferguson says of his rivals. 'It'll be hard, impossible I'd say, for them to replicate it and they've maybe gone too early this time. We'll see. But it's a massive game for us. I think what they'll try and do is play on the fact they've done us the last four times, that's some motivation for them.' So what will motivate United? According to Gordon Strachan, Ferguson will be using the widespread loathing of his team, evident most recently when the England crowd at Wembley last week invited each other to stand up and hate Man U, to stir up his lads: them against the world. 'I think Strachan is talking about an old situation, when he knew me at Aberdeen,' Ferguson says. 'Motivation is a strange subject, it's not an exact science. Footballers are all different human beings. Some are self-motivators, they need to be left alone. Some need to be - you know - [he mimes an action which looks like wringing a set of testicles dry]. For some you need causes: your country, them and us, your religion. And those causes can be created by the manager. At Aberdeen I did that. But at Manchester United it's different. From time to time you might identify something, but now, these days, we have other motivations. One of them is that at Manchester United we have to be better than everyone else. 'That's why we have worked so hard on discipline. Somebody wrote the other day - aI forget who it was - that every great team needs bad behaviour at times. But I disagree. I had one terrible patch back in 1994 lasting about three months when everyone was being sent off. It got to the point where I had to step in and do something about that. Now the discipline on the pitch at this club is bloody good. We play the right way.' Ferguson is always circumspect when choosing his words. At this point of the season, when events on the pitch can run away from even the most in-control manager, he likes to do his bit by dropping a couple of psychological Alka Seltzers into the mixture. So when he announces that the most significant thing about his current team is not its passing or movement or greed for goals, but its discipline, there is a purpose. And you don't have to be Arsene Wenger to spot who his observation is aimed at.
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Subject: Keegan for England! HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, the irony is killing me!! Kevin Keegan will be appointed as England manager this morning after a hands-down victory in his complex negotiations with the Football Association. For the first time in history, England will have a 'part-time' manager, as Keegan will maintain his chief operating officer title at Fulham thanks to the immense power of his negotiating position. The FA International Committee refused to contemplate the crippling embarrassment of being left flailing about looking for a second-choice candidate in a oneman field if Keegan walked away from its offer. The Fulham boss has also secured cast-iron guarantees about his unilateral control over the international side in terms of selection, coaching, staffing and strategy. Speaking from Australia yesterday, the FA's acting chairman Geoff Thompson said: 'Kevin was my first choice. I'm sure he was the nation's choice and I am thrilled that this has been completed so quickly - absolutely delighted. 'His appointment will be a significant step towards taking England to Euro 2000 and it was essential to get it resolved. "Bill McArthur"
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Subject: Andy Cole PIN ANDY COLE Birthplace: Nottingham, 15/10/1971 Height: 175cm - 5ft 9in Weight: 77kg - 12st 2lb Full International: England (2 caps, 0 goals) Position: Forward Squad Number: 9 Debut: 22.01.1995 Appearances (1995-1999): 161 - 22 as sub Goals: 78 Andy Cole began his footballing career with Arsenal, joining them on schoolboy forms after playing at the National School of Excellence at Lilleshall. However, things did not go according to plan and his first team outings with Arsenal were limited. After Cole was loaned to Fulham and Bristol City, he was transferred to Bristol City in July 1992, for a fee of £500,000. He spent just a little under a year with Bristol City before Newcastle paid £1,750,000 - a record transfer fee received by Bristol City - in March 1993. He was an instant success with Newcastle, helping them to secure promotion into the Premier League in his first season. The following year, his 34 League goals won him the European 'Golden Boot' and the 1994 PFA Young Player of the Year award. In January 1995, in an attempt to strengthen his squad, Alex Ferguson paid a then British record transfer fee of £6,250,000 for Andy Cole's services. In his first season with United he scored 12 goals in 17 games - a decent return for any forward - five of them coming in Manchester United's 9-0 defeat of Ipswich Town. His goals, however, were not enough to clinch the championship in the 1994-5 season and United finished the season without any silverware for the first time in five years. The following season Cole picked up a Premier League Championship medal, scoring one of United's goals in their 3-0 victory at Middlesbrough in the last game of the season, to wipe out the memory of West Ham twelve months earlier. The following season all did not go according to plan for United's record signing. Cole started the season with pneumonia, then broke both legs in a reserve team game in September. On top of this, Alex Ferguson's summer signing Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer, had got off to a flying start scoring five goals in his first 10 games. Fortunately for Cole, the season finished on a much happier note, with United picking up their fourth League Championship in five years, a second for Cole. In the summer of 1997, he helped England to win Le Tournoi in France, but the following year he was surprisingly omitted from Glenn Hoddle's World Cup squad. Did You Know? Andy Cole played for England schoolboys, scoring on his debut in a 2-0 victory over West Germany at Wembley. He scored the equalising goal for Manchester United, in their 2-1 victory against Southampton, in April 1995, the same day his son Devante was born. http://www.red11.org/mufc/andy.htm
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Subject: FANS VOTE CANTONA TOP OF THE PILE Manchester United fans have voted Eric Cantona the best player in the club's history. A readers' ballot organised by United's official magazine puts Cantona in top spot ahead of George Best, Sir Bobby Charlton and legendary players of the past like Duncan Edwards and Tommy Taylor. Ryan Giggs took third place between Best and Charlton and eighth-placed David Beckham finished ahead of another star of the 60s, Denis Law. Forgotten were Billy Meredith - the Cantona of the early 1900s - and Busby Babes Liam Whelan, Jackie Blanchflower and David Pegg. Johnny Carey, who led United to their first post war League and FA Cup successes, failed to make the top 50. Magazine editor Justyn Barnes is not too surprised. "The average age of our readers is 22, and that is reflected in the high placing of modern players," he said. "The 90s have been the most consistently successful era in United's history, but it is still arguable whether Ryan Giggs, who helped win two Doubles deserves to be ranked above Sir Bobby." The top 10 were: 1 Eric Cantona, 2 George Best, 3 Ryan Giggs, 4 Sir Bobby Charlton, 5 Bryan Robson, 6 Duncan Edwards, 7 Peter Schmeichel, 8 David Beckham, 9 Mark Hughes, 10 Denis Law. © PA Sporting Life
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Subject: www.webu.nu/manu - Arsenal Game & FormGuide Updates WEB U NEW MANU - BRING ON THE GUNNERS!! - www.webu.nu/manu 17/2/98 United vs. Arsenal Contents: *Premiership Form against Arsenal *Clash of the Titans *Why the Poor Fulham Display was Deceptive *Are ABU's Liverpool supporters in disguise? *Form Guide Updates - Important News -------------------------------- Premiership Form against Arsenal ******************************** SEASON DATE LOCATION FOR AGAINST UNITED SCORERS 92/93 24 March 1992 Home 0 0 92/93 28 November 1992 Away 1 0 Hughes 93/94 19 September 1993 Home 1 0 Cantona 93/94 22 March 1994 Away 2 2 Sharpe (2) 94/95 26 November 1994 Away 0 0 94/95 22 March 1995 Home 3 0 Hughes, Sharpe, Kanchelskis 95/96 04 November 1995 Away 0 1 95/96 21 March 1996 Home 1 0 Cantona 96/97 16 November 1996 Home 1 0 o.g. 96/97 19 February 1997 Away 2 1 Cole, Solskjaer 97/98 09 November 1997 Away 2 3 Sheringham (2) 97/98 14 March 1998 Home 0 1 98/99 20 September 1998 Away 0 3 This data and the results of United against EVERY Premiership team past and present is available on your desktop anytime you want it if you download our FREE Manchester United FormGuide @ http://www.webu.nu/manu/soft.htm . You can also download free updates as the season progresses from the same page. It's almost as easy as playing Forest! ------------------- Clash of the Titans ******************* There is no doubt in my mind that Manchester United and Arsenal are the best Clubs in England. Okay Chelsea may have a Serie A feel about them but they are still only a cup club at present. Arsenal are double winners and before them only United could hold that claim. Though it pains me to admit it, if a club wins the premiership then they don't do it out of luck they do it because they have proved they are the best team week in week out. To do the double just makes their claim stronger. They beat us twice last season don't forget(or rather try to forget it as best as you can.) In fact, since the reign of Cantona they have consistently out performed United. But why? Well here's what I think: 1.Rock Solid Defence 2.Two top rate midfield ball winners 3.Lightning paced and skilful counter attacks Luckily for us one important component will be missing from each of the above factors, Keown, Petit, and Bergkamp. Hopefully Anelka will shoot his mouth out the starting lineup:) ----------------------------------------- Why the Poor Fulham Display was Deceptive ***************************************** Against Fulham the United players seemed to lack motivation. And no wonder! Playing a team of unknowns must be hard to get motivated for especially when you have BIG games, against BIG NAME players coming up. The Arsenal game is, without doubt, a BIG game a six pointer(six pinter?) If United manage to win this game it should help crown the Red Devils Champions once more. ------------------------------------------- Are ABU's Liverpool supporters in disguise? ******************************************* I was talking to an Arsenal supporter over the weekend and to my surprise he said that he didn't hate United and even supported the in the European Cup. He gave out about ABU's before I mentioned the subject calling them ignorant and small minded. I think most of these ABU's are actually glory-hunting supporters of Liverpool and maybe Leeds who stopped supporting their team as soon as it stopped winning. As a United fan I'll happily admit that I wasn't happy to see English club after English club knocked out of European competition. I even hoped, in vain, that Owen would score as a brutal Liverpool lost pathetically to second rate European sides. Although I had a laugh at them too! I want United to be Champions of the best league in the world and we can't claim the premiership is the best until English clubs start doing better than the Italians, Germans, and Spanish. I think most real supporters of English teams want the same thing too. Especially if it means they'll all have to play as many games as United. ----------------------------------- Form Guide Updates - Important News *********************************** First off it's even easier and faster to download the ongoing updates for the Formguide. The file was 360kb it's now only 92kb! After hearing some users were having problems updating I changed the file to a zip and now all you do is unzip it over your current file. Make sure you're not running the formguide when you do this or you'll get a error message. Check out http://www.webu.nu/manu/soft.htm for more info. Cheers to a United Victory! www.webu.nu/manu
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          Manchester, Manchester United
          A bunch of bouncing Busby Babes
          They deserve to be knighted

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