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Date: Mon Apr 12 08:58:58 GMT+00:00 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. Survey #43 result + Survey #44 Question
2. UNITED BOSS ISN'T SCARED OF A FIXTURE PILE-UP
3. Three new interviews at Simplenet mp3
4. Ferguson furious as dubious offside decision subjects his team to Villa Park replay
5. Guardian: Luckless united robbed by rogue flag
6. Football 365 Report
7. Savour the taste of snap, tackle and block
8. Deputy Chief Executive Peter Kenyon
9. Football - Battle of giants ends in deadlock
10. Telegraph report
11. Mr Byers now knows about the Reds in Kuala Lumpur
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Daily RED Trivia Mon 12th April 1999:
12/4/1965:
John Aston Jnr made his United debut against Leicester City. After winning an
FA Youth Cup medal in 1964, Aston was brilliant on the left wing in the 1968 European
Cup Final, and won a League Championship medal in 1967. He made 185 apps between
1965-72, scoring 27 goals. Later went on to Luton Town, Mansfield Town and Blackburn.
12/4/1992:
United won the League Cup Final 1-0 against Nottingham Forest at Wembley
with a Brian McClair goal watched by 76,810. Team was: Schmeichel, Parker,
Irwin, Bruce, Phelan, Pallister, Kanchelskis (Sharpe), Ince, McClair, Hughes, Giggs.
12/4/1995: United win their FA Cup Semi-Final replay 2-0 against Crystal Palace at
Villa Park with goals from Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister. 17,987 see Roy Keane
sent off along with Patterson of Palace. Team was: Schmeichel, G.Neville, Irwin,
Bruce, Keane, Pallister, Sharpe, Ince, Hughes, Butt, Giggs (McClair).
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BSKYB LATEST
D-Day and all that from: andy walsh
This is just a short note, but none the less heartfelt for its brevity, to
congratulate everyone of you who may have written a letter, sent an email
or simply had a discussion with other fans, about the Sky bid.
Stephen Byers gave an interview to the Sunday Telegraph in which it is
stated that he was overwhelmed by the number of letters and faxes he
received. It is still unclear how things will pan out over the next few
months but one thing is for sure United fans the world over united to stop
the most powerful business man on the planet and that should make you all
feel very, very proud, I just wish I could personally shake you all by the
hand.
Proud and priviliged to be Red
Andy Walsh
PS If you have not joined IMUSA yet do so now by using the form on our web
site at www.imusa.org there is still yet more to do!
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09-APR-1999 [16:28] United Respond To Sky News
UNITED RESPOND TO SKY NEWS
Friday, April 09, 1999 16:28
Manchester United have issued this statement following the DTI's blocking
of the BSkyB takeover deal. "The Board of Manchester United note today's
announcement of the decision by the Secretary of State for Trade and
Industry not to permit the proposed merger between Manchester United and
BSkyB. Although disappointed by the decision, the Board is confident that
the club will maintain its record of success and secure its objective of
achieving consistantly outstanding playing and business performance for the
benefit of its supporters, employees and shareholders."
http://www.manutd.com/news/feature.sps?from=latest&id=576136
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Barry Daily Comment:
MANCHESTER UNITED STATS v ALL teams on the Web
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats.htm
Previous News:
BSKYB Takeover news/pics at http://www.red11.org/mufc/bskyb.htm
Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
http://www.iol.ie/~redcafe/kidd.htm
Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!
http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/schmeichel.htm
Next games:
ALL Result/Fixture Index:3
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm
Next Games:
14 FAC Semi REPLAY Arsenal at Villa Park 20.00 UK Live Sky Sports Uk
17 Sheff Wed (H) 15.00 PL
21 European Cup Semi Juventus (A) 19.45 CL
25 Leeds (A) 11.30 {am} UK PL Live Sky Sports UK
UNITED Stats v All teams:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/
PREMIERSHIP
*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 11/04/99 ***
Everton 2-0 Coventry City 32,341
Wimbledon 1-2 Chelsea 21,577
*** LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 11/04/99 ***
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Manchester United 31 18 10 3 69 32 37 64
2 Arsenal 32 17 12 3 43 13 30 63
3 Chelsea 31 17 11 3 47 24 23 62
4 Leeds United 31 16 9 6 52 28 24 57
5 Aston Villa 33 13 10 10 44 39 5 49
6 West Ham United 33 13 9 11 34 40 -6 48
7 Derby County 32 12 11 9 36 36 0 47
8 Middlesbrough 32 11 13 8 44 41 3 46
9 Liverpool 30 12 7 11 57 41 16 43
10 Newcastle United 32 11 9 12 43 45 -2 42
11 Wimbledon 33 10 11 12 37 50 -13 41
12 Tottenham Hotspur 31 9 13 9 35 37 -2 40
13 Leicester City 31 9 12 10 32 39 -7 39
14 Sheffield Wednesday 32 11 5 16 38 36 2 38
15 Coventry City 33 10 7 16 34 45 -11 37
16 Everton 33 8 10 15 28 40 -12 34
17 Charlton Athletic 32 7 10 15 34 43 -9 31
18 Blackburn Rovers 32 7 10 15 32 43 -11 31
19 Southampton 33 8 6 19 28 60 -32 30
20 Nottingham Forest 33 4 9 20 30 65 -35 21
*** FIXTURES ON 12/04/99 ***
Leeds United v Liverpool
*** FIXTURES ON 14/04/99 ***
Middlesbrough v Chelsea
*** FIXTURES ON 17/04/99 ***
Charlton Athletic v Leeds United
Coventry City v Middlesbrough
Liverpool v Aston Villa
Manchester United v Sheffield Wednesday
Newcastle United v Everton
Nottingham Forest v Tottenham Hotspur
Southampton v Blackburn Rovers
West Ham United v Derby County
*** FIXTURES ON 18/04/99 ***
Chelsea v Leicester City
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 21/03/99 ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/08/98 Leicester City Home D 2-2 11 55,052
22/08/98 West Ham United Away D 0-0 11 26,039
09/09/98 Charlton Athletic Home W 4-1 9 55,147
12/09/98 Coventry City Home W 2-0 5 55,193
20/09/98 Arsenal Away L 0-3 10 38,142
24/09/98 Liverpool Home W 2-0 3 55,181
03/10/98 Southampton Away W 3-0 2 15,251
17/10/98 Wimbledon Home W 5-1 2 55,265
24/10/98 Derby County Away D 1-1 2 30,867
31/10/98 Everton Away W 4-1 2 40,079
08/11/98 Newcastle United Home D 0-0 3 55,174
14/11/98 Blackburn Rovers Home W 3-2 2 55,198
21/11/98 Sheffield Wednesday Away L 1-3 2 39,475
29/11/98 Leeds United Home W 3-2 2 55,172
05/12/98 Aston Villa Away D 1-1 2 39,241
12/12/98 Tottenham Hotspur Away D 2-2 1 36,079
16/12/98 Chelsea Home D 1-1 2 55,159
19/12/98 Middlesbrough Home L 2-3 3 55,152
26/12/98 Nottingham Forest Home W 3-0 3 55,216
29/12/98 Chelsea Away D 0-0 3 34,741
10/01/99 West Ham United Home W 4-1 3 55,180
16/01/99 Leicester City Away W 6-2 2 22,091
31/01/99 Charlton Athletic Away W 1-0 1 20,043
03/02/99 Derby County Home W 1-0 1 55,174
06/02/99 Nottingham Forest Away W 8-1 1 30,025
17/02/99 Arsenal Home D 1-1 1 55,171
20/02/99 Coventry City Away W 1-0 1 22,596
27/02/99 Southampton Home W 2-1 1 55,316
13/03/99 Newcastle United Away W 2-1 1 36,500
21/03/99 Everton Home W 3-1 1 55,182
03/04/99 Wimbledon Away D 1-1 1 26,121
*** TEAM RESULTS SUMMARY - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 21/03/99 ***
P Won Drawn Lost For Against Points
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Home 16 11 (69%) 4 (25%) 1 (6%) 38 (2.4) 16 (1.0) 37 (2.3)
Away 14 7 (50%) 5 (36%) 2 (14%) 30 (2.1) 15 (1.1) 26 (1.9)
Total 30 18 (60%) 9 (30%) 3 (10%) 68 (2.3) 31 (1.0) 63 (2.1)
Averages per game in (brackets)
*** TEAM STATISTICS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 21/03/99 ***
AVERAGE HOME ATTENDANCE: 55,183
HIGHEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 27/02/99 - Southampton (55,316)
LOWEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 15/08/98 - Leicester City (55,052)
BEST WIN: 06/02/99 - Nottingham Forest (8-1)
HEAVIEST DEFEAT: 20/09/98 - Arsenal (0-3)
BEST HOME WIN: 17/10/98 - Wimbledon (5-1)
HEAVIEST HOME DEFEAT: 19/12/98 - Middlesbrough (2-3)
BEST AWAY WIN: 06/02/99 - Nottingham Forest (8-1)
HEAVIEST AWAY DEFEAT: 20/09/98 - Arsenal (0-3)
*****
Champions League:
Group D P W D L F A Pts
Bayern Munich 6 3 2 1 9 6 11
Man United 6 2 4 0 20 11 10
Barcelona 6 2 2 2 11 9 8
Brondby 6 1 0 5 4 18 3
Dec 9 Brndby 0-2 Barcelona
Dec 9 Man Utd 1-1 Bayern Munich
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CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE QUARTER-FINALS
Manchester Utd 2 v 0 Inter Milan
Real Madrid 1 v 1 Dynamo Kiev
Juventus 2 v 1 Olympiakos
Bayern Munich 2 v 0 Kaiserslautern
**DYNAMO KIEV 2 v 0 REAL MADRID (Agg:3-1)
FC KAISERSLAUTERN 0 v 4 **BAYERN MUNICH (Agg:0-6)
INTERNAZIONALE FC 1 v 1 **MANCHESTER UNITED (Agg:1-3)
OLYMPIAKOS 1 v 1 **JUVENTUS (Agg:2-3)
Semi Final 2nd legs to be played 21st April
Manchester United v Juventus [1-1]
Bayern Munchen v Dynamo Kiev [3-3]
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Subject: Survey #43 result + Survey #44 Question
Last weeks Survey #43 result: (before semi-result was known)
What trophy are United best positioned to win?
Premier League 41 48.8%
European Cup (3 wins away) 23 27.4%
FA Cup (2 wins away) 20 23.8%
Total: 84 voted
(question suggested by Dave Menashe)
Barry Comment:
All agreed nearly 50% say Premier League! there again we are two games from
either a European Cup or asn FAup so any permutation is possible.
If Andy and Dwight can click into goalscoring mode again asap we will win
all 3!
*** New Survey #44 Question ***
Do you approve of the club's policy of offering house purchases and other
lavish benefits to attract top stars to Old Trafford?
(Question suggested by John Whitney)
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Subject: UNITED BOSS ISN'T SCARED OF A FIXTURE PILE-UP
By Ian Cruise
MANCHESTER UNITED manager Alex Ferguson last night sent a
defiant message to the harbingers of doom who are
predicting that his side will run out of steam in their
quest for a sensational treble. After yesterday's 0-0 FA Cup
semi-final draw with Arsenal, much of the talk surrounded
the fixture pile-up that is threatening to derail the Red
Express, but Ferguson was having none of it.
The Old Trafford chief has moaned long and loud in the past
about his side being asked to play too many matches in too
short a space of time but, even though his players will now
have to face their third semi-final clash in seven days
when they meet the Gunners once more on Wednesday night, he
is convinced his troops have got what it takes not only to
win through to face Newcastle in the FA Cup Final, but also
to go to Italy in ten days' time and end the European Cup
hopes of arch nemesis Juventus.
''By the time we go to Turin, we'll be champing at the bit
- we'll be eating people!" he insisted. ''Never
underestimate the British endurance. Juve will have to run
a million miles to beat us.''
That is just the sort of positive attitude Ferguson will
instil in his side as they continue to chase glory on three
fronts. Even before Sunday's draw with Arsenal (pictured),
the players felt they could achieve success in the FA Cup,
as well as the Premiership and Champions League, and
nothing that happened yesterday will have changed their
minds.
Indeed, were it not for an overeager linesman's flag,
United would have already booked their place at Wembley in
May. Roy Keane thought he had broken the deadlock only for
his effort to be ruled out for an earlier offside against
Dwight Yorke. However, not even that controversial decision
upset Ferguson, a man not normally slow to criticise
officials if he feels his team has been wronged.
After being shown a TV replay of the incident, he said: "Oh
well, that's it, if it's offside then that's it, it's not a
goal and we've just got to get on with it and come back
here again.''
The Premiership's big two will fight for the right to meet
Newcastle in the final next month after a double strike
from Alan Shearer saw off Tottenham at Old Trafford. The
England captain struck twice in extra time, first from the
penalty spot and then with a blistering angled drive from
the edge of the area. It means the Geordies will be in the
FA Cup Final for the second year running - and end any
disputes about their participation in next season's UEFA
Cup.
Manager Ruud Gullit, back at Wembley two years after
lifting the cup as Chelsea boss, admitted: "It's a strange
game, a difficult game, but I think they played very well.
Shearer is Shearer, he can score goals whenever he wants.''
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Subject: Three new interviews at Simplenet mp3
Phil Neville on semi final 50s/146k
http://www.red11.org/mufc/sound/99/990411nevpfacup.mp3
Lou Macari on bskyb 25s/74k
http://www.red11.org/mufc/sound/99/990411bskybmacari.mp3
Deputy Chief Exe Peter Tennyon 4 mins/793k
http://www.red11.org/mufc/sound/99/990411bskbdirreaction.mp3
More interviews at:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/sound/99/
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Subject: Ferguson furious as dubious offside decision subjects his team to Villa Park replay
Extended semi riles United - Times
BY OLIVER HOLT
MANCHESTER UNITED 0 ARSENAL 0
after extra time
THERE was finesse and there was finery at Villa Park yesterday afternoon,
but both were relegated to subservience. Baser virtues triumphed in this FA
Cup semi-final between the nation's two best sides and acquired a nobility
of their own in the process.
There was an occasional shimmy from Dennis Bergkamp, the odd piece of
vision from the Dutchman that took the breath away and one run in the dying
seconds of extra time that eliminated Roy Keane and Ronny Johnsen in a
couple of mesmeric shuffles and seemed as if it might be about to settle
the tie. There were some clever passes from Keane, too, and a brace of
dipping, curling free kicks from David Beckham and Ryan Giggs that
commanded awe because of their precision and power. They were like flowers
planted on barren ground.
This was a game of destructive beauty, a game where all creativity was
lost. That extra-time run by Bergkamp was stifled by a lunging tackle from
Gary Neville, Giggs's free kick was clutched by David Seaman and a late
break by Fredrik Ljungberg foundered on the excellence of Peter Schmeichel.
The one time that the ball did bulge the net, dispatched there by a fierce
half-volley from Keane in the 39th minute, it was ruled out by a dubious
offside decision that penalised Dwight Yorke, even though he was clearly
not seeking to interfere with play.
Alex Ferguson, the United manager, described the decision - which provoked
fury among the United players - as "absolutely ridiculous". Keane explained
why it angered his side so much. "We knew how tight it was going to be," he
said. "We knew there was only ever going to be one goal in it. That's why
we were so disappointed."
More than anything, this was a game that relied on the apparently ageless
excellence of the Arsenal defence for its inspiration. They were utterly
unbreachable yesterday, neutralising Yorke and Andy Cole and reducing
Beckham and Giggs to peripheral figures.
At the heart of that defence, a back four that has conceded only 13 goals
in the FA Carling Premiership this season, Tony Adams and Martin Keown
played as well as they have done all year. Keown, in particular, was
unyielding in the challenge, impossible to beat.
On the rare occasion that United had half an opening, when they might have
won one challenge in the opposing penalty area, Arsenal invariably won the
second. If Adams was beaten, Keown was there to mop up, and vice versa.
More often, they broke up play with a thudding tackle or a neat
intervention. To make United's attacking task even harder, Patrick Vieira
and Nelson Vivas worked away like demons in front of the defence, stopping
their opponents from running directly at Adams and Keown. They were a
formidable barrier.
Even when Vivas was sent off five minutes into the first period of extra
time, earning his second yellow card for elbowing Nicky Butt in the face,
Arsenal breathed hard, regrouped and returned to the task. Only two minutes
from the end, when Adams collided with Nigel Winterburn, did United have a
clear opportunity, and Yorke dragged his shot wide from ten yards.
That, in fact, was the game in microcosm. With Arsenal playing
conservatively, looking to hit United on the break, the onus was on
Ferguson's side to break them down. To do that, their forwards needed to be
on top form, their finishing at its most clinical, but Cole and Yorke fell
short of the performances that have made them such a feared partnership.
Indeed, it was Arsenal who forced the few half-chances there were before
the interval. Schmeichel had to arch his back to tip over a fierce header
from Adams in the 25th minute and, ten minutes later, the Danish goalkeeper
flung himself to his right to push out Bergkamp's shot after it had flown
at him through a crowd of players.
On the stroke of half-time, Yorke shot weakly and straight at Seaman after
an exchange of passes with Cole. Then, after the break, Cole failed to
convert an enticing cross from Gary Neville and, soon afterwards, struck a
tame shot into the arms of Seaman after Giggs had released him in the centre.
Nicolas Anelka, who had a subdued game, wasted a chance to break the
stalemate three minutes from the end of normal time when he wriggled past
Jaap Stam for the first time, but he sliced his shot high and wide.
Both sides tired in the second period of extra time and the chances came in
a flash flood as the game ebbed away. None of them were taken, leaving
Ferguson, in particular, to rue his side's profligacy.
"There was not much between the two sides," he said. "I think it was a
predictable result, to be honest with you. We had enough chances to kill
them off. We created more than them but we did not take them and that is
why we have to go to a replay."
It will take a mistake or a moment of brilliance to separate these sides on
Wednesday. Yesterday, neither was forthcoming.
MANCHESTER UNITED (4-4-2): P Schmeichel - G Neville, R Johnsen, J Stam, D
Irwin (sub: P Neville, 85min) - D Beckham, R Keane, N Butt, R Giggs (sub: O
G Solskjaer, 99) - D Yorke, A Cole (sub: P Scholes, 113).
ARSENAL (4-3-3): D Seaman - L Dixon, M Keown, A Adams, N Winterburn - R
Parlour, P Vieira, N Vivas - N Anelka (sub: Kanu, 100), D Bergkamp, M
Overmars (sub: F Ljungberg, 90).
Referee: D Elleray.
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Matt Dickinson says the boys of the old brigade who constitute Arsenal's
defence continue to amaze by their resilience
Adams presents indestructable barricade
If Tony Adams is the Doctor of Defence, as his manager claims, then
yesterday he allowed the rest of us a glance at his thesis. The Arsenal
captain has produced some immense performances for club and country over
more than a decade, but few can have equalled this colossal display. Some
of his tackles would have stopped the traffic.
He must have been that good to have narrowly pipped Martin Keown to this
observer's man-of-the-match award. With some justification, Keown has
complained recently that he has not been recognised as a defender of
international calibre. So here goes. Martin, you are a great defender but
Tony, I am afraid, is still that little bit better.
In tandem, and with Nigel Winterburn, Lee Dixon and David Seaman in their
own resolute mood, the safest bet yesterday was that not even the country's
most prolific attack would be capable of breaching England's most steadfast
defence. The reduction to ten men, when Nelson Vivas was rightly dismissed
four minutes into extra time, only made Arsenal's stubbornness more
certain. The resilience is in the blood.
Adams threw himself into tackles with an enthusiasm that belied his 32
years and dodgy ankles, as well as embarking on the odd rampage upfield. At
one point in the first half, he charged forward with such unlikely speed
that he appeared to have got on the end of his own clearances and he, more
than anyone, did not deserve to lose this game.
There have been times this season when the pain in his legs has prompted
talk of retirement and he will prove irreplaceable when the day eventually
comes. They will clear the marble halls of Highbury for another bronze bust.
With Patrick Vieira and Roy Keane matching each other in magnificence in
midfield and both attacks sporadic in their effectiveness, this was the
sixth meeting in succession in which United have found themselves unable to
overcome their sternest rivals. It is a run of four defeats and two draws
that stretches back to February 1997 and, in the minds of the United
players, the little doubts must have started to become self-fulfilling.
Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole must feel as though they are banging their
heads, as well as their shots, against a brick wall.
Arsenal will certainly have left Villa Park in the jauntier mood. Without
the burden of a European campaign to distract them, they will feel that the
return of Emmanuel Petit from his three-match suspension for the replay on
Wednesday will give them a slight edge.
They appeared less willing than United to gamble on throwing bodies forward
yesterday, but the Frenchman's versatility will allow them to do so in
greater numbers. Perhaps by Wednesday, Nicolas Anelka will have been taught
the rules of offside.
And, of course, there will still be that back four to protect David Seaman,
provided that they have all recovered from the aches and pains that prove
more reluctant to depart by the year. Winterburn, 35, was bleeding from his
chest early on after a strong challenge from Beckham and finished extra
time clutching his toes as cramp set in.
Meanwhile, Dixon, 35, could barely muster the energy to clear the ball past
the halfway line. It was left to Keown and Adams to carry them through, a
task they performed with remarkable calm as well as courage.
"They are tough, they are intelligent and they will recover for Wednesday,"
Arsne Wenger, the Arsenal manager, said. "They will make it. They have
made if before. We had our usual resilience and organisation and we needed
the brilliance at the back. We are still in the FA Cup because of our
defence." He could not have put it better.
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Subject: Guardian: Luckless united robbed by rogue flag
By David Lacey at Villa Park
Sunday April 11, 1999
The long, scoreless Sunday lunchtime which failed to separate Arsenal
and Manchester United yesterday has left Highbury licking its lips while
Old Trafford must be starting to wonder if it has not got too much on its plate. A
replayed FA Cupx semi-final, especially against Arsenal, was the last thing Alex Ferguson
wanted at this stage.
A combination of poor finishing aberrant offside flag conspired
to deny United the place at Wembley that their sharper and more imaginative
attacking play demanded. Even after the dismissal of Nelson Vivas five minutes
into extra-time, Ferguson's team still could not find the accuracy and composure
near goal to outwit the Premiership's tightest defence. It was a familiar
situation for Arsenal, for whom it was the 10th red card of the season and the 22nd of
Arsene Wenger's two-and-a-half years as manager.
Practice always did make perfect once the Argentinian, who had
occupied the suspended Emmanuel Petit's in midfield, had gone, a
scoreless two hours was more or less guaranteed. Arsenal merely defended with
even greater determination, content in the knowledge that Petit will back for
Wednesday's replay and happy to see their principal championship rivals forced into
another big match.
Manchester United will doubtless be concerned about the effects of a
replay on the away leg of their Champions League semi-final against Juventus on
Wednesday week. Yesterday, to compound the situation, they lost Denis Irwin
with a knee injury. All might have been so much simpler for Manchester United had they not
had what appeared to be a perfectly legal goal disallowed seven minutes before
half-time. This was the way of it: Beckham, having strayed across to the left wing,
released Giggs, whereupon the linesman raised his flag. Giggs was not offside but
Dwight Yorke in the middle clearly was. Giggs took the ball on, the flag went
down, and from the Welshman's centre Yorke, now onside, headed down to Keane,
who drove a shot into the roof of the net.
Elleray at first gave the goal but the flag had been raised again and after
consulting with his linesman the referee awarded Arsenal a free-kick. United were
as much puzzled as angry. If Giggs had not played the ball when Yorke was offside,
how could offside then be given in what wassurely a separate situation?
Presumably the linesman felt that in getting his head to Giggs's
cross Yorke then had to be pulled up for falling offside in the first place. If so it was
a piece of retrospective legislation which stretched the game's statutes of
limitation.
That said, Manchester United should still have reached Wembley. While
Arsenal defended with their usual discipline and efficiency, the absence of Petit
burdened Patrick Vieira with the task of creating an attacking momentum against the
combined strength of Roy Keane and the excellent Nicky Butt.
With Dennis Bergkamp's search for space restricted by Jaap Stam and Marc
Overmars unable to exploit the booking Gary Neville received for
fouling him twice in the second minute, Arsenal took a long time to create a clear chance.
Not soUnited. As early as the eighth minute Cole deftly turned a cross into the
path of Giggs, whose shot cleared the bar. In stoppage time at the end of the
first half Yorke exchanged passes with Cole to leave himself with just David
Seaman to beat, but his finishing was timid.
In the opening minute of the second half Cole failed to make proper
contact as he met Gary Neville's low cross and on the hour Cole wasted a further
opportunity after Beckham and Giggs had exposed arare gap in the middle of
Arsenal's defence.
The opening period of extra-time saw United attacking but the second
might have produced an unlikely winning goal after Berkgamp sent Fredrik
Ljungberg, who had replaced Overmars in the 89th minute, clear. The Swede should
have scored but delayed his shot, allowing Peter Schmeichel to narrow the
angle and make the save.
Victory at that point would have flattered Arsenal, but they are still not
going to yield either half of the Double that easily.
Replay: Villa Park, Wednesday 8pm.
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Subject: Football 365 Report
ARSENAL 0 MANCHESTER UNITED 0
(After Extra Time)
It was the result neither side would have really wanted
but even United were unable to loosen Arsenal's vice-like
grip on the domestic Double in yesterday's first FA Cup
semi-final.
The Gunners endured their tenth sending-off of the season
when Nelson Vivas was dismissed four minutes into
extra-time, were outplayed for long periods but still
tenaciously emerged unscathed to set up a replay on
Wednesday. While United will rue a host of missed
chances, their fans' anger at a controversial first-half
decision which ruled out a Roy Keane 'goal' was
undiminished even at the final whistle. Referee David
Elleray, who had an inconsistent game throughout, deemed
that Dwight Yorke had been offside in the build-up to the
strike even though the linesman first raised then dropped
then again raised his flag.
Although Arsenal had two late opportunities to claim an
unlikely victory, their seventh consecutive clean sheet
was built around the heroic efforts of centre-backs Tony
Adams and Martin Keown and the tireless running of their
midfield.
United's treble dream may still be alive but Emmanuel
Petit will be back for the replay and their players
looked to be tiring in extra-time against a side who they
have failed to beat in their past six meetings. Chelsea
boss Gianluca Vialli and perhaps Juventus coach Carlo
Ancelotti will have been the only men celebrating at the
final whistle as United have another fixture in a packed
season. However, with neither of the Premiership's top
two having lost a single game this year, a replay had
always seemed the most likely outcome.
After an exemplary minute's silence by fans to mark the
tenth anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster, the tie
immediately burst into life amid a series of bruising
challenges. Gary Neville and Vivas were booked in the
first six minutes and David Beckham only just escaped
after apparently elbowing Nigel Winterburn in the ribs.
The game nevertheless flowed from end to end with Jaap
Stam and Adams both making important interceptions, while
Keane and Vieira, both full of running, provided a
bulwark in front of them.
Chances came sporadically as Ryan Giggs blasted a shot
well over from just 12 yards out and Peter Schmeichel
tipped a header from Tony Adams over the bar before then
denying Bergkamp. Just as it seemed as if the frenetic
early pace had taken its toll though, United looked to
have taken the lead on 38 minutes through Keane.
Giggs played the ball outside Lee Dixon on the left flank
and, with Yorke in an offside position inside him as he
tried to hold his run, the linesman immediately raised
his flag only to put it almost straight down again. He
raised the flag once more when the former Aston Villa
striker - by now clearly onside - then flicked on Giggs'
ensuing cross towards Keane, who blasted his shot into
the roof of the net. But after consulting his assistant,
Elleray seemed to agree that Yorke had earlier been
interfering with play - despite the linesman having
apparently changed his mind.
The decision incensed the United players, who berated
both officials at length, and Denis Irwin was booked soon
afterwards before escaping another yellow card moments
later for a tackle from behind.
United had nevertheless seized the initiative and Cole
then put Yorke clear just inside the penalty area but he
could not get the ball out from his under his feet and
fluffed it straight along the ground into David Seaman's
hands. The furious protests continued as the half-time
whistle blew but United were straight back on the
offensive after the interval as they strung together a
series of vibrant moves and Vivas escaped a second yellow
card for a trip on Keane.
Keown and Adams continued to stand resolute though and
even when Cole was sent through by Giggs, he wastefully
miscued his shot straight at Seaman. Once again the match
started to drift as the tempo dropped, fouls went
unpunished and both sides lacked width, with Arsenal
increasingly bereft of attacking ideas.
Keane headed straight at Seaman from Yorke's cross,
Beckham struck a free-kick inches wide, Giggs directed
another dead-ball effort straight at the keeper and
Anelka blazed wildly at a chance after bouncing off
Stam's challenge. However, for all United's late
pressure, the match was heading inexorably towards
extra-time.
With Marc Overmars already off injured, Arsenal were
further weakened four minutes into added-time by Vivas'
sending-off for his second yellow card - an off-the-ball
elbow into Beckham's face.
United, with Paul Scholes and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer now
both on, still failed to make the most of their extra man
or the increasingly open spaces and their frustration
showed as Neville flung the ball away and himself only
just escaped a second booking.
Both sides had half-chances with Stam blocking Bergkamp's
effort and Yorke firing wide but with three minutes left,
it was substitute Fredrik Ljungberg who raced through on
goal after being put through by Bergkamp. Schmeichel
saved brilliantly with his legs and it took a last-ditch
block from Neville to deny the Dutchman himself as he
threatened to dribble his way through the entire United
defence.
So it is back to Villa Park in three days for another
titanic tussle. At least there has to be a winner then.
OFFSIDE DECISION BAFFLES KEANE
Frustrated Roy Keane left Villa Park feeling robbed of a
goal he is convinced should have taken Manchester United
to Wembley and broke champions Arsenal's iron grip on the
FA Cup.
Keane struck after 38 minutes of the semi-final clash of
the Premiership's top two only to see his shot
controversially ruled out by an offside flag to allow
Arsenal to secure a goalless draw and a replay on
Wednesday. As United celebrated, referee David Elleray
ran to consult his linesman, who had flagged Dwight Yorke
offside in the build-up to the strike only to put the
flag down again before finally raising it a second time.
Arsenal went on to survive, despite playing almost the
whole of extra-time with just ten men after Nelson Vivas
was sent off. Keane said: ''We're very disappointed. Ryan
Giggs played the ball past the defender and there was
somebody else in there Yorke but maybe not even standing
in an offside position and he had nothing to do with the
general play. We tried to explain this to the referee but
obviously he went with the linesman, which we are really
disappointed about because we always knew there would
only be one goal in it.''
Vivas' dismissal for his second yellow card - elbowing
Nicky Butt in the face - was Arsenal's tenth red card of
the season and the 22nd since Arsene Wenger took over at
Highbury. The Frenchman said: ''Personally I think the
first yellow card was harsh. Then I was surprised about
the game at the time. Somebody said it was an elbow and
if that's the case, he deserved to go off as it's stupid.
I'm not especially proud of ten red cards but I think it
was a fair game, it was hard, because every ball was a
fight. But there could easily have been a red card for
one of the other team as well.''
Both teams had their chances, with Yorke and Andy Cole
wasting openings for United, and Arsenal going close
through Fredrik Ljungberg and Dennis Bergkamp in the
closing stages. However, despite being outplayed for long
periods and losing Vivas with 26 minutes left, Arsenal
still secured their seventh consecutive clean sheet, with
Tony Adams and Martin Keown outstanding.
''We had to be brilliant in defence and Keown had
possibly his best game for us. I must say he has had a
great season but today he was outstanding,'' said Wenger.
''He was solid, sharp and very committed. We needed that
and as well as quality, we needed experience and tactical
knowledge."
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Subject: Savour the taste of snap, tackle and block
By Jim White
Monday April 12, 1999
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When Martin Keown is run close by Nicky Butt for the man of the
match award, it is clear what kind of game this was: a masterclass
x for those who take pleasure in the destructive arts.
It was one of those afternoons when the crowd is obliged to take
their enjoyment from the perfectly-timed sliding tackle rather than
the mazy run, from the last-second lunging intervention rather than
crafty back heel.
'A predictable result,' Alex Ferguson called it afterwards. This is
what happens when two sides who know too much about each other meet.
Before the kick-off, fans outside the Holte End were handing out
copies of the Arsenal song sheet. Not that anyone needed prompting
for the most important tune of the afternoon: the lyrics of the
number 'How to Stop Manchester United' are well practised down
Highbury way.
As Juventus showed last Wednesday, they go roughly like this: leave
their defence with only one forward to mark, play tight on Dwight
Yorke and Andy Cole, and overwhelm Roy Keane in midfield. With three
wins and a draw in the previous four meetings between the two clubs,
the Gunners have them off pat.
xAnd United, too, appear to be learning their lines for how to stop
Arsenal. Marc Overmars has proved their nemesis of late, but this
time, from the moment in the third minute when Gary Neville gave him
an early opportunity to scrutinise the advertising hoardings, it was
clear United were anxious to apply some roughage to stop the
Dutchman's runs which had so unseated them recently.
Neville's challenge set the tone. All over the pitch, the first
prority was to snap and bite and close down, to prevent opponents
gaining an inch. But such destruction leaves little energy or
opportunity for enterprise or skill.
Arsenal created little, United not much more and when opportunities
came, Cole, Bergkamp and particularly Yorke were all profligate. So
when, late in the first half, Giggs deceived Lee Dixon and crossed
for Keane to smash home, it seemed that would settle it.
The linesman though, his flag up and down like a whore's drawers,
was less convinced. Arsene Wenger thought it a perfectly justified
decision, the kind of strong officiating you need at this sort of
occasion. It will surprise no-one that Alex Ferguson didn't agree.
'I've seen it on television and I thought it was quite amazing,'
said the United manager. 'And that's all I'm saying.'
The last thing some teams might have needed in such tight times was
to see their sending-off tally hit double figures for the season, as
Arsenal did when Nelson Vivas navigated his elbow into Butt's
cheekbone. But the Gunners are masters of this ten-man stuff.
Besides no-one can man the barricades like Keown, Adams and
Winterburn, and those magnificent ambassadors for arthritics
anonymous saw off whatever United could dispatch in their direction.
So another game on Wednesday; neither team is giving up their Double
possibilities easily. 'I think we'll be practising penalties at
training,' said Ferguson. And he would be wise to. The only way you
can see these two stealing an inch on each other is from 12 yards
out.
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Subject: Deputy Chief Executive Peter Kenyon
MANCHESTER UNITED deputy chief executive Peter Kenyon has
insisted no-one will be resigning from the Old Trafford board of
directors following the failure of BSkyB's 623m proposed takeover.
The bid was rejected by the Department of Trade and Industry on
Friday after the Government completed their study of a report by
the Monopolies and Mergers Commission. Trade secretary Stephen
Byers concluded that the takeover by Sky, which would have seen
media tycoon Rupert Murdoch own a major stake in what is already
the world's richest club, was not in the public interest.
But Kenyon said there was no chance of United chairman Martin
Edwards bowing to calls for his resignation from some fans over the
failed takeover. ''We didn't see that there were real competition
issues and we certainly didn't see that there were public interest
issues,'' he said. ''We certainly don't think there will be any
resignations on the board.''
Instead, United will look to Edwards and plc chairman Sir Roland
Smith to continue to strengthen the club's position on and off the
field. ''We have to look at the tremendous success that has been
built," Kenyon continued. "Martin Edwards has been chairman for
over 17 years; Sir Roland and Martin took this club public in 1991
and there is a tremendous record of success both on and off the
field. I think it speaks for itself. We have a very solid board and will
continue to strengthen the business. Let's not forget the 550
people who work for Manchester United and we're all committed to
continuing the tremendous success we've had over the last ten
years. Football is a very emotional sport...but we think in the long
term people will, indeed do, support the board in general.''
Kenyon claimed that had the bid succeeded, it would not have led
to any bias with regards to the Sky's current television deal with
the Premier League. ''We are members of the Premier League and
are entitled to one vote. Whether we are Manchester United plc,
are independent, or are owned by Sky - we really don't have any
more influence than that single vote when it comes down to it.''
But he added: ''Inevitably there is disappointment because we have
been working on this for the last nine months. We took a long time
to review and recommend it, and it's unfortunate that the
Government have blocked it. The resulting benefits of the Sky
proposal and bid - with the
complimentary skills that they brought to the business - would see
Manchester United becoming part of a much bigger resourced
company obviously with a global reach.
''But this being blocked in no way prevents us from doing what we
want to do, from building on the tremendous solid base we have got
and the tremendous support we have got worldwide. I think there
are enough case studies, both domestically and internationally, to
show that you can't just throw money at it and buy success. The
success at Manchester United over the last decade - in fact the
last 100 years - has been about a lot more than cash. We don't see
it like that.''
As for the many fans who protested against the takeover bid,
Kenyon said: ''I think you have to counter the more vocal element
of our supporters with perhaps the silent majority.''
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Subject: Football - Battle of giants ends in deadlock
Arsenal 0 Manchester United 0
By Glenn Moore at Villa Park
Villa Park has been a moribund place in recent
weeks as the home club have slid down the
Premiership table but, yesterday, it shook to the
collision of giants. Manchester United and Arsenal,
the modern game's behemoths, battled each other to
a standstill during two hours of sound and fury.
Though long on drama it was short on goals and the
pair must meet again, at the same venue on
Wednesday night, for the right to play Newcastle
at Wembley in the FA Cup final on 22 May. The draw
made it a good afternoon for Chelsea, who could go
top while their rivals are duelling on Wednesday
night if they repeat yesterday's victory at
Wimbledon at Middlesbrough.
It was a less enjoyable afternoon for Nelson
Vivas, Arsenal's Argentinian defender, and the
officials. David Elleray, the referee, had a
generally impressive afternoon with his dismissal
of Vivas, for elbowing Nicky Butt early in
extra-time, thoroughly justified. But, shortly
before the interval, he allowed his assistant to
persuade him to chalk off a valid United goal which
might well have settled the match.
With Ryan Giggs on the left wing, and apparently
about to cross, Dwight Yorke strayed into an
offside position in the box. The assistant put his
flag up only to take it down when Giggs, instead,
slipped the ball past Lee Dixon and headed for the
byline. By the time he crossed Yorke was onside
but the flag went back up as the Tobagan flicked on
the cross for Roy Keane to drill into the roof of
the net.
Elleray disallowed the goal and stuck by his
decision after consulting the linesman. This was
an error, though Yorke had briefly strayed into an
offside position he was in no way interfering with
play as Giggs was still in possession.
"It was ridiculous, quite amazing," said Alex
Ferguson, the United manager.
This, unsurprisingly, was not the view of Arsene
Wenger, Arsenal's manager, who said: "It was
offside, it was indicated by the linesman early
on. I don't know how anyone could complain."
Wenger, as usual, did not see the dismissal of
Vivas, the 22nd Arsenal player to be sent off
under his command and the 10th this season. He did
concede, however: "If he has elbowed the guy he
deserved to be sent off and it is stupid."
Wenger thought, with some justification, that
Vivas's first booking, for fouling Beckham after
five minutes, was harsh but added: "An elbow is
normally a red card in itself.
"I'm not proud of our record but one or two United
players could have got a red card. It was a
physical battle but not an unfair game."
Ferguson indicated that, with next week's trip to
Turin to play Juventus in mind, he would make
changes for the replay. He also thought United had
created enough chances to win the match regardless
of the disallowed goal.
Indeed, United, unbeaten in seven previous Villa
Park semi-finals, ought to have repeated their
1983 triumph over Arsenal at the Birmingham ground.
Ferguson added, in a reference to Denis Irwin, who
was injured late in normal time: "The result was
predictable, it'll be the same on Wednesday. It
could go to penalties and our best penalty-taker
will be missing."
Had either side made more of some decent approach
play a replay would not have been required. It
was, however, a day when the best performances came
from defenders with Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Jaap
Stam and Gary Neville outstanding.
Two players, Vivas and Neville, were booked in the
first five minutes but then the game settled.
Arsenal, in their 20th FA Cup semi-final, began
brightly with Peter Schmeichel tipping an Adams
header over and saving well from Dennis Bergkamp.
United, playing their 22nd semi, had gone close
when Ryan Giggs shot over after nine minutes.
After Keane's disallowed goal they went close
again with Butt passing up one chance and Yorke
fluffing another.
It was another poor game from Yorke, back on his
old ground, but Cole was no better failing to
reach a Giggs cross soon after the break then
shooting weakly when the Welshman put him through
on the hour.
With a full house creating a vibrant atmosphere
the game remained end-to-end and Keane, David
Beckham and Nicolas Anelka all wasted opportunites
to settle the tie before extra-time. United had
been marginally the better team, especially in
midfield. Wenger had played Parlour on the right
in an attempt to utilise his attacking prowess
but, in the absence of the suspended Emmanuel
Petit, who will be back on Wednesday, Butt and
Keane over-powered the holders in the centre.
United increased their dominance after Vivas was
dismissed but Arsenal, paradoxically, created the
better chances with Bergkamp denied first by
Schmeichel then by Gary Neville's tackle. The best
opportunity fell to Frederick Ljungberg but,
released by Bergkamp with three minutes left, he
could not beat Schmeichel.
"We showed our usual resilience and organisation,"
added Wenger. "Even in extra-time I thought we
could win it. We defended brilliantly, showed
quality, experience and tactical knowledge."
Arsenal (4-4-2): Seaman; Dixon, Keown, Adams,
Winterburn; Parlour, Vieira, Vivas, Overmars
(Ljungberg, 90); Bergkamp, Anelka (Kanu, 98).
Substitutes not used: Lukic (gk), Grimandi, Bould.
Manchester United (4-4-2): Schmeichel; G Neville,
Stam, Johnsen, Irwin (P Neville, 85); Beckham,
Keane, Butt, Giggs (Solskjaer, 98); Cole (Scholes,
113), Yorke. Substitutes not used: Van der Gouw
(gk), Blomqvist.
Referee: D Elleray (Harrow).
Bookings: Arsenal: Vivas, Parlour.
Manchester United: G Neville, Irwin.
Sending off: Arsenal: Vivas.
Man of the match: Adams.
Attendance: 39,217.
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Subject: Telegraph report
Arsenal (0 0 Manchester Utd (0) 0 (after extra-time)
ON AN afternoon of raised temperatures, flags and elbows,
this tense FA Cup semi-final between the nation's
heavyweights finished honours even, although Arsenal's
honour was tarnished by their 10th dismissal of the season.
When Nelson Vivas deservedly departed in extra-time for
elbowing Nicky Butt, United were handed a perfect
opportunity to prevent a draining replay on Wednesday, a
week before their date with destiny in Turin. Yet if Arsenal
have no defence against the charge of indiscipline laid
against them, the Double-winners do possess a defence where
it matters most, suffocating opposing players with
carefully-prepared traps and expertly-timed tackles. United
kept slamming into the yellow brick wall.
In stretching Arsenal's run of de fensive parsimony to
almost 10 hours, Martin Keown gave one of the displays of
his career, dominating the airwaves and constantly
thwarting United on the ground with outstretched foot and
speed of anticipation. "Keown was outstanding," said Arsne
Wenger, Arsenal's manager. "He was sharp and physically
determined."
This marathon of a match was dominated by both sets of
backs and their defensively-minded midfielders. If Keown
caught the eye for Arsenal, the industrious Butt excelled
for United, coming in for Paul Scholes and stiffening
midfield against Vivas and Patrick Vieira.
Keown grew in stature when United increased their tempo
after controversially being denied a legitimate 38th-minute
goal. The debate arose when David Beckham spun Ray Parlour
and slid the ball to Ryan Giggs, whose determination had
been increased by a bad miss after only nineminutes.
Giggs's trickery caught out both Arsenal's defence and the
linesman on the far side. As the Welshman pretended to
cross, the linesman raised his flag at Dwight Yorke who was
jogging away from goal. The dummy played, Giggs effectively
passed to himself, tipping and running past Lee Dixon.
David Elleray had not seen the flag so play continued, the
flag dropping as Giggs's cross caused chaos in Seaman's
box. Yorke was involved in the ball reaching Roy Keane,
whose finish was emphatic, giving David Seaman nox chance.
Realising that Yorke had played a part in the move, the
linesman then waved again. This time Elleray took notice and
after a brief consultation, inevitably surrounded by a
swarm of seething United players, Keane's goal was
disallowed.
It was a poor decision, patently against FIFA's spirit of
encouraging attacking play and the angle and intent of
Yorke's movement. United's striker had not been actively
interfering when Giggs made his break, particularly as
Giggs kept possession. "It's quite amazing," was
AlexFerguson's tart observation. Wenger, predictably,
observed: "I don't know what you can complain about. It was
offside indicated by the linesman but the referee didn't
see the flag."
Stirred by a sense of injustice, Ferguson's players charged
even morex hungrily at Arsenal. But Keown and his
colleagues, called "graduates of the defensive arts" by
Wenger, stood firm. United, too, were living with Arsenal's
offensive forays. Ferguson's players have suffered too
often against Arsenal in recent meetings and had their
game-plan well prepared here. United's defenders moved
quickly to pressurise the opponent in possession, even to
the extent of hunting Nicolas Anelka, Marc Overmars and
Dennis Bergkamp into midfield. Their dogging tactics
allowed midfielders like Butt and Keane to swoop and nick
the ball.
United enjoyed the better of the first half, if not the
luck. Arsenal's bestchance had come from a set-piece.
Vivas's right-wing corner was aimed towards Tony Adams, who
deceived Jaap Stam by feigning a near-post run but then
stepped back to meet the ball. Peter Schmeichel needed all
his agility to tip Adams's header over.
Andy Cole threatened early in the second half but his radar
was having an off day. On the hour, Arsenal began to awake.
Bergkamp chipped over, Anelka slashed a shot wide but
extra-time soon arrived. Five minutes into the additional
period, Vivas caught Butt in the face. Already cautioned,
the Argentinian had to walk. "I'm not especially proud of
10 red cards," said Wenger. "It was a fight for every ball
today but there could have been red cards for them."
Indeed. Denis Irwin, already booked, went unpunished for
going through the back of Vieira. Gary Neville, booked
after only a minute for daftly catching Overmars, could
have gone for dissent, slamming the ball into the ground in
frustration. Neville, though, played well and saw off
Overmars. Irwin, unfortunately, was caught by Parlour and
hobbled off.
Vivas's expulsion forced Arsenal to reform as 4-4-1. Kanu
displaced Anelka and brought some important ball-retaining
skills to midfield. Both sides had chances to settle it:
Bergkamp demanded a good save from Schmeichel and then
Yorke headed wide.
Fredrik Ljungberg naively took an extra touch, so allowing
Schmeichel to get in position to smother the ensuing shot.
In the final minute, the dribbling Bergkamp was superbly
dispossessed by Neville, a fitting end to an afternoon of
defensive resilience at both ends.
Wenger took heart from the forthcoming return of Emmanuel
Petit from suspension at Villa Park on Wednesday. Ferguson
did not sound perturbed at the addition of another tie
within seven days of the Champions' League trip to
Juventus. "By the time we get to Turin, we will be champing
at the bit," he said to an Italian journalist.
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Subject: Mr Byers now knows about the Reds in Kuala Lumpur
Just one quote that amused me from the Sunday Telegraph. They had an
interview with the Trade Secretary - Stephen Byers.
Sunday Telegraph:
....... leaving Mr Byers in no doubt about the passion and fury it had
generated among football fans.
" I now know that Manchester United even has 8,000 supporters in Kuala
Lumpur," he said with the weary air of someone who had received a letter
from many, if not most, of them in recent weeks.
So all those international emails and faxes really did get through to him.
Thanks to all in Kuala Lumpur! And reds everywhere who stood up to be
counted on what for a long time looked like an impossible battle - even to
the most optimistic of us ;-)
Duncan
Here is list of just a few of our RED members down there in
Kuala Lumpar!
3 Jaikar Singh 12 Mar 96 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpar
kss@ppp.nasionnet.net
fave UNITED player "Jaap Stam"
19 Marcus Lionel van Geyzel 7 Sep 79 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
lionel@pop.jaring.my
RedDevilMarcus ICQ:1579383
22 Michael Yip Chee Kin 6 Oct 76 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
micheal_yip@astro.com.my
TV station covering PL soccer
26 Kaniawati Zainal Abidin* 26 Oct 72 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
kanil42@tmsk.itm.edu.my
Nickname: Karin
27 Kuljit Singh 5 Jul 71 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpar
kss@ppp.nasionet.net
RED all the way
30 Ahmad Pakhri Yahya 27 Jun 68 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
pakhri_yahya@usa.net
Supp REDS since 82 esp ROBBO!
31 Kalai Selvan 3 May 67 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
kalai@stomail.sps.mot.com
Supp since 1978 - 20 year RED!
42 Robert Lim 13 Mar 57 Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
robertl@asiaconnect.com.my
30 years of RED fun!
Full list of World REDS
http://www.red11.org/mufc/age/age.htm
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Take a lesson come to see
Football taught by Matt Busby
Manchester, Manchester United
A bunch of bouncing Busby Babes
They deserve to be knighted