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Date: Wed Nov 25  GMT+00:00 1998
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This Issue:
1. Man U ground go-ahead
3. BARCELONA, Spain, Nov 24  - Wednesday's European
4. Survey #27 results "Schmeichel's Replacement?" & "Should Andy Cole play for England?" 
5. Manchester United Search Made Easy!
6. Re: What's the big problem?
7. Keeper of the faith loses self-belief (Guardian)


Daily RED Trivia  Wed 25th November:

25/11/1957: Tom Connell born in Newry, Northern Ireland. Deputising for Stewart
 Houston he made his United debut at  Bolton Wanderers in December 1978,
 but Connell's 2 appearances both ended in 0-3 defeats. The hard-tackling
 Full-back was eventually sold to Glentoran for £37,000 in 1982.

1978: In Division 1 United win 1-0 at Chelsea with a Jimmy Greenhoff goal
 watched by 28,162. Team was: Bailey, B.Greenhoff, Houston, McIlroy,
 McQueen, Buchan, Coppell, J.Greenhoff, Jordan, Macari, Thomas. 


Barry Daily Comment: 
Fingers crossed for a win tonight. 
That would be excellent and almost a 100% ticket to the quarter finals

Rest of 1998 games: 
Result/Fixture Index:

Today!    Barcelona     (A) CL 19.45
Sun 29/11 Leeds         (H) PL 14.00 Sky Sports
Wed  2/12 Tottenham     (A) (Worthington Cup 1/4 final) 19.45
Sat  5/12 Aston Villa   (A) PL 15.00
Wed  9/12 Bayern Munich (H) CL 19.45
Sat 12/12 Tottenham     (A) PL 15.00
Wed 16/12 Chelsea       (H) PL Sky Sports time 20.00
Sat 19/12 Middlesbrough (H) PL 15.00
Sat 26/12 Nottm Forest  (H) PL
Tue 29/12 Chelsea       (A) PL Sky Sports time 19.45 UK

UNITED Stats v Leeds:


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181
03/10/98    Southampton              Away     W  3-0     2    15,251
17/10/98    Wimbledon                Home     W  5-1     2    55,265
24/10/98    Derby County             Away     D  1-1     2    30,867
31/10/98    Everton                  Away     W  4-1     2    40,079
08/11/98    Newcastle United         Home     D  0-0     3    55,174
14/11/98    Blackburn Rovers         Home     W  3-2     2    55,198
21/11/98    Sheffield Wednesday      Away     L  1-3     2    39,475

Prem Table 21/11:
Pos Team                  P  W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Aston Villa          13  5  1  1  13   8   3  3  0   7   2   10   28
 2  Manchester United    13  5  2  0  18   6   2  2  2   9   8   13   25
 3  Arsenal              14  4  3  0  10   2   2  3  2   4   4    8   24
 4  Chelsea              12  4  2  0  10   3   2  3  1  11   9    9   23
 5  Leeds United         14  4  2  1  10   3   1  6  0  10   8    9   23
 6  Middlesbrough        14  3  4  0  12   5   2  3  2  11  11    7   22

Champions League:
**Nov  4 Barcelona 1-2 Bayern Munich 
**Nov  4 Man Utd   5-0 Brøndby

Group D         P  W  D  L  F  A   Pts
Man United      4  2  2  0 16  7   8   
Bayern Munich   4  2  1  1  6  5   7  
Barcelona       4  1  1  2  6  6   4   
Brondby         4  1  0  3  4 14   3   

To be played:
 Nov 25 Barcelona        v  Man Utd
 Nov 25 Bayern Munich    v  Brøndby
 Dec  9 Brøndby          v  Barcelona   
 Dec  9 Man Utd          v  Bayern Munich



"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"

Subject: Man U ground go-ahead Manchester United have been given the green light to turn Old Trafford into the biggest club stadium in Britain. United say they have been given planning permission to increase the stadium's capacity by 12,400 to 67,400. Work will begin on extending the East Stand at the end of this season and is expected to be finished in time for the start of the 2000/01 season. The increase in capacity, which will see Old Trafford (around 55,000 seats) overtake Celtic Park (60,300) as the largest British club stadium, will cost £30million. Meanwhile, Man United arrived in Barcelona today with Alex Ferguson convinced they can qualify for the quarter-finals of the Champions League with a win at the Nou camp. United have more points than any side in the competition and top Group D after two wins and two draws. With six group winners and the two highest-placed runners-up going through to the knock-out stage, Ferguson says victory could book United's place with a game to spare. "We could qualify as the highest second-placed side, and that is a surprise when you consider the group we are in.'' he explained.
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Subject: BEWARE BARCELONA SAYS CRUYFF By David Anderson, PA Sport in Barcelona Jordi Cruyff has sounded a note of warning to his Manchester United team mates as they seek revenge over Barcelona for their blackest night in the Champions' League. Barcelona humiliated United 4-0 on their last visit to the Nou Camp four years ago and Alex Ferguson's men are keen to avenge that Catalan catastrophe. Barcelona's European campaign has all but fizzled out and the misfiring Spanish champions are down to just 14 first team players for tomorrow's Group D clash because of injury, suspension and ineligibility. Cruyff, who is in the United party despite not being able to play because of a pulled hamstring, was in that 1994 Barcelona side and he sees ominous parallels between now and then. "Big teams like Barcelona always rise to the occasion," he said. "I can recall before the 1994 game that we were not having a good season and we were struggling, just like the current team now. "But for that game everything went right. That's the danger with these type of players. "That result opened it up for the rest of the season for us and they will be thinking another win tomorrow night might have the same effect for them. "I think they can raise their game for us and it's up to us to expect that." Ferguson joked he could not remember that November night and when asked if Barcelona would win 4-0 again he quipped: "I hope not." Despite boasting the likes of Rivaldo and Giovanni, Ferguson feels Barcelona are not as potent now that a certain other Brazilian has gone. "Without Romario they are not a team which can get goals from nothing," he said, " and I'm very, very grateful that Romario is not here." United have not beaten Barcelona in any of their three previous Champions' League meetings and Ferguson refuses to believe their task will be easier because of the number of players they have missing. "It looks like they will be without Abelardo, Luis Enrique and Cocu, who are three formidable players," he said. "But coaches always find a way of producing a positive response from players. "You never rely on one or two players and instead you depend upon a squad of players rather than individuals. "I don't see us as favourites. How can you be favourites in the Nou Camp?" Ferguson has vowed to go for Barcelona's jugular and his side have the safety net of knowing they can still qualify even if they lose as long as they beat Bayern Munich at Old Trafford. That comfort factor, though, does not lessen Ferguson's desire to win - the memory of 1994 will not allow that. "If we don't win, we can still win the group by beating Bayern Munich, but it's only common sense to try and win this game," he said. "Nicky Butt may replace Jesper Blomqvist in the only change from the side which lost at Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday. "Ronny Johnsen, who has an ankle injury, and knee ligament victim Teddy Sheringham, did not travel to Spain and instead they were due to play in a reserve match. Ryan Giggs, who broke a bone in his foot, resumes full training tomorrow and Ferguson hopes all three will be ready by next week. Manchester United (probable): Schmeichel, P Neville, Irwin, G Neville, Stam, Keane, Scholes, Butt/Blomqvist, Beckham, Cole, Yorke. © PA Sporting Life
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Barcelona and United -- a real battle of the giants By Kevin Fylan Subject: BARCELONA, Spain, Nov 24 - Wednesday's European Champions' League clash between Barcelona and Manchester United brings together two giants of the game, each with compelling arguments for being the biggest club in world football. In terms of silverware, there are teams whose on-field achievements dwarf both of them, each having won Europe's premier club competition only once -- United in 1968, Barcelona in 1992. Even in their own countries there are clubs with more impressive records -- Real Madrid and Liverpool have more domestic titles and both have enviable European Cup pedigree. But both Barca and United can claim a more intangible appeal, a worldwide fan-base drawn by style as well as success, romance rather than results -- as well as a vision far grander than any of their rivals. If sheer size is the only criterion then it would be hard to better FC Barcelona, as much an ideal as a football club: a source of pride for the Catalan people and a symbol of past and present struggles. Barcelona can count on over 100,000 members, more than 1,300 official supporters clubs around the globe and one of the finest stadiums in the world: the magnificent 120,000 capacity Camp Nou that has hosted the opening match of a World Cup and the final of the Olympic games. The club, which fields teams in 12 sports as diverse as roller hockey and rugby, have won more trophies than any other, while the football team have never missed a season of European competition. The Barcelona museum welcomed visitor number 2 million more than six years ago, with a total of 800,000 expected to take a tour of the stadium this year alone. But for all that cache United have overtaken Barcelona in two important respects -- the greater financial muscle and a more compelling history on the field. United's international appeal -- and for all the Catalans' superior organisation, from Ankara to Beijing to Copenhagen United are just as likely to be acclaimed outside their own country as Barcelona -- is rooted in tragedy. The Munich air disaster of 1958 took the lives of eight of a United team that had been on the cusp of greatness. The rebuilding of that team won United enormous sympathy outside their own fan base and the side that won the European Cup in 1968, with George Best, Bobby Charlton and Dennis Law at its heart -- although Law missed the final through injury -- was one of the greatest ever produced by a club side. To a large extent, the last 30 years at United can be seen as a mission to recapture that greatness. Managers, from Wilf McGuinnes to Ron Atkinson, came and went without ever recapturing the magic and it was not until the Alex Ferguson era that a team worthy of that legacy was created. The successors to the Busby Babes are, largely, local lads, or careful acquisitions rather than star buys. Ryan Giggs, Gary and Phil Neville and Paul Scholes were all brought up in Manchester, while David Beckham was brought in as a youngster, still unknown. A second European Cup success now would be a triumph of the Old Trafford ethos, of the commitment to excellence on the field, and a triumph as well for Ferguson, whose restructuring of the youth set-up has borne valuable fruit. But if that European success is to come it will be in spite of a financial strategy that, for all its undoubted success, has limited Ferguson's options. Since their stock market flotation in 1991, United have become the undisputed heavyweight champions of footballing finance, with a massive merchandising operation that is the envy of Europe and saw them become, earlier this year, the first club to set up its own daily TV channel. In the 1997 survey by accountancy firm Deloitte and Touche, United were ranked higher than any other European club in terms of turnover, with 53.3 million pounds ($88.15 million) -- a figure that leapt to pounds 88 million pounds ($145.5 million) the following year. That hard-nosed business policy has had its effect on the playing side as a rigid wage structure has effectively ruled out the signing of Ferguson targets such as Patrick Kluivert -- who signed instead for Barcelona -- and Marcelo Salas. At Barcelona the story is different. Although the club, even under Johan Cruyff, have never produced a team of the calibre, or the romance, of United's 1968 vintage, the two greatest players of the last two decades -- Maradona and Ronaldo -- have graced the Camp Nou turf, while the likes of Michael Laudrup, Rivaldo and Sonny Anderson have been bought at vast expense. And while the Catalan club continue to expand -- the recently mooted Barca 2000 project for a 190,000 square metre, $264 million leisure complex connected to the ground by monorail is nothing if not ambitious -- the playing side of the club remains untouchable. The Barca 2000 company, which could be floated on the stock market, will be a separate entity from the football club but will exist to provide money for team building. "The likes of Rivaldo don't come cheap," as a member of the club's commercial department said this week. While United, as a public company, have a duty to their shareholders, Barca, owned as they are by their members, will always put the team concerns first. With or without Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul bidding to buy the club, United will undoubtedly continue to grow stronger in financial terms, with the renegotiation of Champions' League TV rights set to swell the coffers still further. But when the moneymen move out of football, to cash in on the next big thing, Barcelona will retain its self-generating strength, its commitment and its vision. Time will tell if the same is true of Manchester United.
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Subject: Survey #27 results "Schmeichel's Replacement?" & "Should Andy Cole play for England?" Week of Nov 15 Now that Schmeichel has decided to leave United, which 'keeper would you prefer to replace him? Wright (England) 31 18.9% Van Der Saar (Holland) 27 16.5% Barthez (France) 23 14.0% Bosnich (Australia) 23 14.0% Chilavert (Paraguay) 22 13.4% none of the above 18 11.0% Given (Ireland) 14 8.5% Van Der Gouw (Holland) 5 3.0% Culkin (England) 1 0.6% Moens (Holland) 0 0.0% Total 164 votes Question closed 22/11/98 23:59 EST Barry Comment: Cool voting, with a fairly even vote for Wright, Saar, Barthez, Bosnich & Chilavert. It looks like it will be one of these 5, with Saar coming out on top right now. VanDer Gouw and Culkin voted as no hopers? Only 4% of the vote between them! NEW SURVEY Survey #28: Week of Nov 22 Should Andy Cole play for England? Question now open: http://www.red11.org/miva/survey.mv Thanks for voting! MUFC Hon. Executive CP Cheah Webmasters: Barry Leeming & Bill McArthur Graphics: Sam Hayward Stats: Paul Hinson Site Design Diana Low Webmaster Mail: barry@www.red11.org Url: http://www.red11.org World of Manchester United Football Club.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:37:59 -0800 From: "Duncan Drasdo" Subject: Re: What's the big problem? BSkyB/Murdoch will not invest (net) a penny in United. Not even the current United board are pretending that they will actually put more money in than they will take out. The reason BSkyB are trying to buy United is because they can see the massive potential profits from future TV revenue - especially Pay Per View (PPV). This is money United could earn for themselves as an independent business using a media company (like BSkyB) simply to deliver the service. That way at least we know that our money is going into the club not someone elses pocket. BSkyB plans to buy the club outright - then any money we pay goes to BSkyB and any investment back into the club is optional and limited - unlike the current scenario. This is the only reason they are prepared to pay so much for United. They want to buy us - the fans - because we are captive customers. We can't start supporting another club because we don't like what they're doing. Football fans are loyal and this is a major weakness that Murdoch exploits to the full. He can crank up the charges - and what can you do? Go and support Liverpool? The only single defence of this takeover that was put forward by the Manchester United board at the recent AGM was that this "link up" would be beneficial because of BSkyB's TV expertise. That's all they said. No other arguments. They didn't dare say there would be any net inward investment because that was just (Murdoch) paper talk to sell the deal to the fans. There is no reason why any business should want to give money to an already highly profitable business which has profits in excess of it's investment requirements - there is no point is there? These board members that vociferously defended the deal are nearly all receiving back handers in the form of contracts they've negotiated with BSkyB on top of massive profits on their shares. The notable exceptions are Greg Dyke and Sir Roland Smith - the former being the only board member left with any integrity at all. So can we trust their judgement in view of their financial incentives - can we ****. So the only argument they could put forward was this vague idea of "linking up" with a media company and benefiting from their expertise. Well I say let's "link up" by all means - but let's not be taken over! There is no reason why we have to be taken over in order to benefit from media expertise! The best deal for United (and the fans) in the future is to stay independent and sell our own TV rights - either to the highest bidder or by employing a media group as service provider to deliver the broadcasts. That way the profit is retained in the club - not in some media conglomerate. Many United fans around the world would like the option of PPV so that they can see every match live. There is no reason why United need to be owned by BSkyB (or anyone else) to do this - it's a myth. I want to pay my money to United - not to BSkyB or any other owner - there is a world of difference. Incidentally - the director on the United board who was signed up because he is a lifelong United fan and an acknowledged expert in TV was against this take over from the beginning. Greg Dyke is an expert in broadcasting media - none of the others on the board have a clue - but they all voted in favour while he voted against - why? Greg Dyke said United would be better off remaining independent as described above but he was out-voted and eventually had to cave in because of his legal duties as a director of a publicly quoted company. However he has continued to signal his disapproval as much as he is allowed to. Mr Dyke has publicly stated that he will give all his profits from this deal to Manchester charities! None of the others would do this because they are only accepting the deal for the money it makes them personally. They are prepared to sell the independence of our club to line their own pockets. They are a disgrace to the name and the history of Manchester United. We will not let them win. One of the most interesting facts that came out of the AGM was that Murdoch requires 75% of shares or he will pull out. One of the directors - I think it was Edwards (it usually is) - accidentally let this slip out. Small shareholders (mainly fans) already hold 23% of shares and before the last bid failed 75% of these small shareholders had rejected the bid. This rejection rate is expected to be substantially higher in the event of a rebid because these shareholders are much better informed now. The offer document sent out in the previous bid said there were three options - all of which involved giving up your shares. They did not explain you can reject the offer! If you rang the help line number they said they could not advise you how to reject the offer! These are the kind of underhand tactics we're dealing with. To reject the offer you just had to ignore it but they wouldn't say this! Can you trust these people to tell you the truth?! If we get 25% of shares into the hands of true supporters who will never sell to the likes of Murdoch then they will not rebid - even if the Monopolies and Mergers Commission allows them to. This is a lot of shares and a lot of money - but there are a lot of us! I can't think of a better Christmas present for United fans this year than shares in your club. I'm dreaming of a Red Christmas. Duncan Duncan Drasdo (These are my own opinions - I am not an official spokesperson for IMUSA) IMUSA - Independent Manchester United Supporters Association - opposes the BSkyB takeover of MUFC IMUSA website - www.imusa.org IMUSA discussion mailing list To subscribe, send a blank message to imusa-subscribe@egroups.com Virtual Manchester -www.manchester.com - sign the email petition http://www.manchester.com/guest/guestadd.html Try this if you need a laugh: http://www.urban75.com/Punch/murdoch.html
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Subject: Keeper of the faith loses self-belief (Guardian) By Jim White Tuesday November 24, 1998 Peter Schmeichel has enjoyed many occasions which have increased his reputation - if not as the world's best goalkeeper, then certainly as the one with the reddest nose. There was the save he produced against Rapid Vienna in the Champions League, a scooping dive to rival Gordon Banks's Pele-buster. There was the night at St James'Park in 1996 when he single-handedly undermined Geordie self-belief. And then there was the moment early in his Old Trafford career, a save against Sheffield Wednesday captured in a great photograph as he hangs horizontal in the air, four feet above the ground, and apparently about 15 feet long. The most striking feature of the snap, however, is that his mouth is wide open, as he yells vitriol at a round leather thing for having invaded his personal space. But the game which gave the Schmeichel legend its biggest boost was one he sat out. It was the previous occasion, almost four years ago to the day, that Manchester United travelled to Barcelona in a Champions League game. Then, as now, the fixture at Old Trafford had been a pulsating score draw. Back then there was a heady whiff of optimism in the United party, a scent picked up by the travelling press; in the pre-match sweepstake only two among more than 20 British journalists backed Barcelona to win - this despite the fact that in those days of rules governing the number of foreign players allowed in European competitions Alex Ferguson was never at his best wrestling with his permutations. Certainly the United squad looked happy the night before the game when they trained at the Nou Camp, Ferguson even relaxed enough to allow Mick Hucknall to kick a ball around with the lads. And Hucknall, whose chest measurement seemed about half the circumference of Roy Keane's calves, loved his moment, particularly when he scored past the reserve keeper Gary Walsh. "Bloody hell, Walshy," joshed Ferguson. "You're in big trouble if you let him put one past you." Little did observers know at the time that Walsh was going to play the next night, with Schmeichel the unlucky foreigner to sit in the stands - although, as it turned out, perhaps not so unlucky. It was a good game to miss because United were taken apart by Barcelona. Walsh was not directly at fault but in the autopsies the implication was clear: without Schmeichel, Ferguson had half a team. Indeed there were plenty who pointed out that there is a fundamental football rule the manager broke that night: always field your strongest keeper. The Barca rout cemented Schmeichel's status as crucial to his team's welfare. For the next four years he remained virtually a constant, his spells of absence through injury often coinciding with blips in team form. He brought to his team-mates the confidence to know that, if they made a mistake, it was unlikely to lead to a goal, the worst consequence would be a volcanic eruption of abuse (for a Viking Schmeichel's grasp of Anglo-Saxon is exemplary). Even this, frankly, was not too much of a problem as he routinely gave them a bigger bollocking for doing well. Schmeichel was not, however, infallible. As the cricketers engaged in hostility in Australia will tell you monotonously, sport is all about mental toughness. And he seems to be a player who, on the rare occasion he falters, does so first in his mind. For a man of such huge physical advantages, he can look suddenly vulnerable, particularly when carrying an injury. His error against Bayern Munich in the Champions League in September was not his first mistake of the season but it has obviously taken on a wider significance in his head. Like his erstwhile chess partner Eric Cantona, he does not want to be diminished by waning physical powers, hence his announcement of impending retirement. It is taking him longer and longer, he said, to prepare for the hurly-burly of the Premiership, something which he proved on Saturday when he got himself ready in time only for the second half against Sheffield Wednesday. Throughout the first half he played as if the seed of doubt in his head was developing into a forest. And tomorrow Schmeichel returns to the Nou Camp, the place from which he emerged so enhanced. Let us hope Signors Anderson, Rivaldo and Luis Enrique do not make him wish he had retired before he actually had to play there.
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