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Date: Wed Mar 25 15:08:42 GMT+00:00 1998
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18 Mar 26 1998 Jussi Jdrvinen tioheja@info.1.infotampere.fi Finland
14 Mar 26 1998 Lee Liwen sunshade@pacific.net.sg Singapore, Jurong West
Well gang looks like the whole team will be back for Wimbledon on Sat. That is VERY good news
Even Ryan Giggs could be there. Now is the time to win the championship by 3 wins on the trot....
Sat Mar 28 : Wimbledon (H) - irc -
Mon April 6 : Blackburn (A) Live on Sky 20.00 gmt
Fri April 10 : Liverpool (H) Live on sky 17.00 gmt
Good luck to all REDS! from your editor Barry, in Denmark.
This Issue:
1. Keane news
2. Shearer Speaks about United
3. Red raiders net Greening
4. The boys are back in town!
5. United for a Jilted Generation
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:03:12 -0800
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From: J Callaghan
Subject: Keane news
Joy For Roy
United star hoping to speed up comeback bid
By Stuart Mathieson
Oh Yes! Hoping for good news
ROY Keane has a key date with his specialist next week.
And the Manchester United midfielder is hoping to be given the green light
to step up his comeback.
The Reds' first captain of the season has been out of action since snapping
his cruciate knee ligament at the end of September.
Now the battling Irishman is awaiting his latest progress report which will
determine his end of season programme.
Manager Alex Ferguson, however, doesn't foresee Keane making a dramatic
reappearance in United's first team for the critical championship run-in.
``I don't think he'll play this season,'' the Reds' boss says. ``You could
push it and possibly have him back but is it really worth it in the end?
``We'll be taking really good advice and we'll have the update next week to
see how his progress is. That will be important so that we know exactly
where we can take him from here.
``Roy has been training with the first team for a few weeks now and has
done really well. He hasn't been doing any twisting or turning and has had
to avoid tackling, but he's kicking fine and is passing the ball and
running in straight lines.
``We know from experience what to do with him next but the specialist will
determine whether we can up Roy's training.''
Keane injured the cruciate knee ligament against Leeds six months ago and
underwent an operation last November.
However, the boost of their inspirational midfielder for the final
Premiership title push now appears very unlikely and Alex Ferguson admits
that efforts to bolster the senior squad for the end of term finale is also
facing a struggle.
Fergie has until this Thursday's tea-time transfer deadline to register any
new faces to aid United's championship ambitions.
``There is nothing on the horizon at this moment,'' he says. ``It's
difficult at this time of year. Because of the standard we are looking for
clubs are reluctant to sell at this stage.
``We are looking at one or two certain things but I couldn't promise
anything at this moment.
``But anyway if I can get my full squad together then it is not a concern.
If all my players are fit then we're okay
A Manchester United is for life, not just for christmas.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:44:48 -0800
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From: David Menashe
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Exclusive: United fans hated me but I could only talk to Blackburn - by
Alan Shearer
Tuesday, March 24, 1998
Why on earth did you join Blackburn Rovers? The question has been put to me
over and over again. The widely held view is that all my football ambitions
were flung out of the window because my head had been turned by the lure of
loads of money.
Suddenly I had become 'that greedy bastard' or at least I was in the minds
of the Manchester United fans who were convinced I had snubbed their club
for a bag of cash laid in front of me by Jack Walker.
I had come to the end of my fourth season at Southampton and was starting
to be recognised as a goalscorer at the highest level. I had broken into
the England senior side and my horizons were beginning to broaden.
I knew I was not going to win the top honours with Southampton and had
completed only one year of a new four-year contract when the football
grapevine began buzzing that other, bigger clubs wanted to sign me.
However, when I got a telephone call from manager Ian Branfoot he informed
me Blackburn were the only club who had made a definite move. There was an
inquiry from the French club Marseille but I ruled that out because I did
not consider a move abroad a suitable option at that stage of my career.
So I went to talk to Kenny Dalglish. I was not given permission to speak to
Manchester United, Newcastle, Liverpool or any of the other clubs who were
supposed to be keeping tabs on me.
I would have been delighted to talk to them if they had made acceptable
bids but, according to Southampton, Blackburn were the only ones with a
suitable offer on the table - £3.3million plus David Speedie, which was a
British record at the time.
Lainya and I met Kenny and his wife, Marina, at the Haydock Post House off
the M6. My first problem was trying to understand what Kenny had to say.
Until your ears are tuned into his broad Glaswegian accent it can be
extremely difficult to follow his conversation.
He left no stone unturned with any of his transfer targets and insisted on
investing in the right sort of characters who had enjoyed stable
upbringings and had developed strong reliable personalities.
It was no coincidence that Rovers' dressing room was full of honest,
down-to-earth individuals who had no airs and graces.
Kenny enjoyed the 'let's all muck in together' attitude which existed in
the early period of Blackburn's development. There was money aplenty for
new players but, at the start, the club's facilities were comparatively
sparse. Before they built their magnificent new training complex it was
Kenny's job to phone around the local area for a practice pitch.
An essential tool of his trade was the spanner he carried around in his
tracksuit pocket to bolt the portable goalposts together. No job was too
small for him.
But I still got sackfuls of mail when I left Southampton. Many of the
letters were abusive, most of them anonymous, others were more sinister and
made some vicious, nasty threats.
I can recall two incidents which made me realise how much I was disliked by
Manchester United fans.
I wasn't fit for the Charity Shield match between Blackburn and United at
Wembley but on arriving at the stadium was recognised by some Rovers fans.
The chant went up: 'There's only one Alan Shearer.'
This drew the attention of a group of United supporters and one aggressive,
fairly large individual thrust his face towards mine and said: 'Shearer
you're a ******* user and a greedy bastard.' He was immediately pounced on
by a Blackburn fan who smacked him one and left him flat on his back.
The same season I received another horrible reminder of the loathing which
football brings out in people. A friendly between England and the Republic
of Ireland at Lansdowne Road was interrupted by an outbreak of trouble in
the crowd, and the players from both sides were taken off.
The game was eventually abandoned but while we were waiting in the dressing
room for an official announcement to be made, a small Irish lad, probably
no older than eight, was brought through in some distress by first aid men.
As he passed by he looked up and recognised me. 'I ******* hate you,
Shearer!' he shouted. I thought he must be suffering from shock but when
someone approached him and asked if he was seriously hurt he brushed them
aside and said: 'No, leave me alone. I'm a Manchester United fan.'
It was upsetting to see a kid work himself up into such a state just
because he had seen me.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:32:51 +0000
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>From last night's York Evening Press...
Red raiders net Greening
by Stuart Martel
York City starlet Jonathan Greening was today poised for the Premiership after
clinching a move to champions Manchester United.
Manager Alex Ferguson revealed the 19-year-old City ace had agreed to sign
for the Old Trafford giants and the deal was subject to a medical.
Greening was identified as a prime target for the Red Devils when he was
invited for a four day trial in February.
The youngster, who described that experience as the "greatest week" of his
life, was back at Old Trafford for talks today and a medical was scheduled
for this afternoon.
The two clubs refused to reveal the fee, but the Evening Press understands
that the initial payment is a six-figure sum which could eventually be
pushed over £1 million, depending on Greening’s progress.
Sources in Manchester believe the initial sum to be in the region of
£750,000, which would smash City’s £450,000 record transfer fee, paid by
Port Vale for Jon McCarthy in 1995.
Said Ferguson: "We had him down for training and he showed the promise we
thought he had. Since then it has been a long road trying to get a deal
done, because of other interest."
United’s interest was stirred by the impact Greening made during his first
steps in League football this season, which has seen him used sparingly by
City boss Alan Little.
He has made just five Division Two starts for the Minstermen since his
senior debut as a substitute at Bournemouth 13 months ago, with 15 further
appearances coming off the bench.
His super-sub status was confirmed by his only two League goals, a late
winner over Gillingham in August and a stoppage-time leveller at
Chesterfield at Christmas.
Scarborough-born Greening joined City as a 15-year-old and graduated
through the junior ranks, as did York-born goalkeeper Nick Culkin, who was
snapped up by Manchester United in 1995 for £100,000 before making a
reserve team appearance.
Greening, who had a year of his current City contract to run, has also
attracted interest from a number of other clubs, with Tottenham Hotspur
reported to have tabled a £1 million bid for the player.
However, that move was dismissed as "paper talk" by Little, who insisted
the club had received no offer from the struggling North Londoners.
Last week Little declined to comment on claims that Greening had turned
down the offer of a trial with Spurs, along similar lines to his week with
United.
Greening, a United fan from the age of six, linked up with international
stars Ryan Giggs and David Beckham during his week with the Premiership
champions.
On his return from Manchester, Greening said: "Playing with the players I
have supported and admired, well, it’s just been like a dream. I would love
to be a part of all that and it’s what I am determined to aim for."
The youngster was also impressed with the facilities at United’s legendary
The Cliff training complex, describing the set up as "amazing".
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:29:27 +0100
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Hi fellows
The boys are back in town! ««
Following the ten day break in United's fixture schedule, Alex
Ferguson is hoping that the Reds starting line up for Saturdays
key game against Wimbledon will have a much more familiar look
about it.
Alex Ferguson hopes to have Peter Schmeichel back in goal after
missing out in the Monaco clash.
Schmeichel, even in the short time he's been out has been sorely
missed. However Schmeichel's expected return is far quicker than
initially anticipated, it was first feared that the Great dane
would be out for five weeks.
Besides Schmeichel, Fergie is is hoping to have Gary Pallister
fully fit. Pallister has been absent with his back injury and he
will return to partner either Ronnie Johnsen or Henning Berg - much
will depend upon whether Ronnie Johnsen recovers from a calf injury.
Nicky Butt, David Beckham and Paul Scholes, all absent for
England against Switzerland, should be fit to form the heart of the
Reds midfield at the weekend.
Perhaps though, the greatest boost for Alex
Ferguson is the expected return of Ryan Giggs.
The brilliant Welsh winger has been out for
seven games, but Alex Ferguson is confident
that he'll return to inject some much needed
pace and penetration into the United side.
Fergie says: "Giggs has trained for the past
few days and will do so for the rest of the week.
I expect him to be ready for Saturday.
So now Wimbledon will suffer. Btw. Wimbledon has sold Vinny Jones to QPR.
He will be player and coach at the club.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:19:17 +0100
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From: Ian GRANT
Subject: United for a Jilted Generation
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The glitz and glamour of the '80s saw Big Ron take over from Dave Sexton
at United's helm. The stark contrast in the attitude of the two men was
obvious as United became a big spending force in the English league. Ron
Atkinson's objective was to bring the league championship back to the
better half of Manchester. He and his magic circle came close, the
potential was there, but he ultimately failed. 2 FA Cup wins later and
in 1986 Big Ron was gone.
Under Ron Atkinson, United were very much a buying club. The youth
system would produce the occasional gem, most notably Paul McGrath, Mark
Hughes and Norman Whiteside, but real quality players coming through the
ranks was very much 'drip-drip' rather than a constant flow. To counter
this a strong buying policy was needed.
One of the first actions Alex Ferguson implemented on his arrival at Old
Trafford was the total re-vamping of the youth system, but in his early
years at the club it was necessary to continue the buying 'tradition' of
Big Ron. Alot of money was made available at Fergie's disposal. Viv
Anderson, Brian McClair and Steve Bruce were the first of Fergie's buys.
For me, Ron Atkison's most endearing quality will always be that he
brought Bryan Robson to Manchester United, but an unforgivable crime he
committed was selling Mark Hughes to Barcelona. Fergie saw sense and
bought the player back home in 1988.
Fergie spent big in 1989, close to 8.5 million pounds on 5 players: Mike
Phelan, Gary Pallister, Neil Webb, Danny Wallace and Paul Ince. As a
consequence expectations were high. Some of the purchases would become
an integral part of the first great United side Fergie was building,
others would fail to achieve their potential and fall by the wayside.
Results and performance's on the pitch were not matching the high
expectations and the pressure on Fergie to deliver some silverware was
more than simply 'mounting'. 1990 saw the floodgates unlock, but fate
was on a hair-trigger. In January United's league form was diabolical,
in the bottom half of the table and with an eye on relegation it seemed
as if Fergie's time was up. Four full seasons in charge without anything
to show for it apart from an eye-catching balance sheet, the FA Cup was
seen as Fergie's last chance. The 3rd round tie was against Nottingham
Forest at the City Ground. A Mark Hughes cross and a header from one of
the first products of the Ferguson youth system, Mark Robins, started
the run that ended with the FA Cup and Alex Ferguson stayed as manager
of Manchester United.
Denis Irwin was the only purchase of note before the 1990-91 season
which ended with the first European trophy since 1968, the European
Cup-Winners' Cup. In 1991 crucial buys were made; Andrei Kanchelskis,
Peter Schmeichal and Paul Parker. Ironically enough Paul Parker was the
most expensive of the trio.
In 1992 the silverware acting as tenant at Old Trafford was the League
Cup, for the first time ever. But the season will be remembered for the
horror of losing out in the race for the title. Words really can't
explain that feeling, obviously alot of you can relate to that. What the
season did show was that Fergie had developed a team capable of
challenging for the title and that had the potential to win it. That
season also gave us a glimpse into the future, the first real quality
was emerging from Ferguson's youth system - Ryan Giggs.
Finally, in 1993 Fergie, and United, won the title. Eric Cantona was the
focal point and catalyst that galvanized those around him. Along with
Billy Meredith and Matt Busby, Eric Cantona has to go down as one of the
greatest signings ever made by United. Legend has it that Howard
Wilkinson, the Leeds United manager at the time, phoned Alex inquiring
after Denis Irwin. "Not a chance," came the reply by Fergie, "by the way
is Eric Cantona available?" On such whims are Championships won and
history created.
The line-up for the final home game of that season (the 3-1 victory over
Blackburn) was:
1. Peter Schmeichal
2. Paul Parker
3. Denis Irwin
4. Steve Bruce (cap.)
5. Lee Sharpe
6. Gary Pallister
7. Eric Cantona
8. Paul Ince
9. Brian McClair
10. Mark Hughes
11. Ryan Giggs
12. Bryan Robson
14. Andrei Kanchelskis
GK. Les Sealey
Fergie had bought a total of 25 players in his time at Old Trafford, 33
had been sold. He had kept the good, and got rid of the bad. The total
cost of the '93 winning team was around 11 million pounds and the only
player to come through Ferguson's youth scheme was Ryan Giggs. Since
then, in my opinion, Fergie has produced two truly great United sides:
The double winning sides of 1994 and 1996.
Roy Keane was added to form the '94 side - an excellent replacement for
Bryan Robson. And in '96, after experiencing disappointment on the last
day of the '95 season, and then the controversial sales of Hughes, Ince
and Kanchelskis, Ferguson's youth system came to fruition.
Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Nicky Butt, David Beckham and Paul Scholes
all came through the United ranks and all established themselves in a
winning Manchester United side. But the base that the side was built on
was still there - Peter Schmeichal, Denis Irwin, Gary Pallister, Roy
Keane, Brian McClair and, of course, Eric Cantona.
So now we come to today's situation: Ferguson's success had come through
buying the right players to create a foundation and then building on
that by nurturing young players through the ranks that entered the first
team with minimum negative effect. The key to his success has been that
foundation, the base on which to build.
That foundation is getting weaker: The absence of Keane is now effecting
us like many first expected. Brian McClair is a long time past his best
and really should be utilized as an emergency sub, if anything. Gary
Pallister, crucial in defense for so many seasons, is getting no younger
and how long before the poor bloke's back finally does go. Eric Cantona
left in typical Gaelic fashion. That leaves Peter Schmeichal and Denis
Irwin. Irwin is another who's getting no younger and is no longer
guaranteed a first team place. The importance of Schmeichal cannot be
under-estimated, but he can't go on forever and I really believe that we
need to look for his replacement sooner rather than later so that player
can enter the first team, when the time's required, with minimum
negative effect.
This should all come as no surprise, the production of great teams is a
cyclic process. This is what made Liverpool great in the 70's and 80's,
they were able to replace foundation after foundation with the right
players. They had a great formula which was to buy players at least a
year before they actually needed them. Only when a manager came in that
wanted to change things too quickly did it all go wrong.
Obviously Fergie is aware of the importance of building a team with a
solid base. And ever since that winning foundation was formed, Fergie's
buys have been kept to a minimum:
David May had a terrible start, but now has one excellent season to his
name. Form and injury have hurt his first team chances this year.
Andy Cole's time at United has been well documented, over documented in
my opinion. But at least we now know he can do it. Injuries accepted,
the word 'inconsistent' springs too readily to mind.
At the end of the of 1996 a clutch of players were signed by Fergie:
Karel Poborsky played his heart out, gave a 110 per cent, but more was
expected. Not a worthy replacement for Kanchelskis, and since his exit
no replacement has been bought in.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, excellent first season, was always going to have a
harder second season. But injury, the mid-season form of Andy Cole and
being forced to play out of position hasn't helped the baby-faced
assassin.
Jordi Cruyff, a predictable disappointment. Along with Poborsky, lulled
us into a false sense of expectation with his Euro96 performances.
Ronnie Johnson, no problems here, great attitude and wonderful
temperament. Fergie's best buy since Roy Keane 5 years before.
Henning Berg hasn't lit the sky by any means, but in terms of Manchester
United heading in the right direction he was the right buy.
Finally, there's Sheringham, a relatively obvious replacement for
Cantona at the time. I think the jury can no longer be out on Teddy. I
would class him as a 'good' necessary buy, but not a success. The price
was respectable for a regular English international, and people are too
quick to forget the contribution he made in turning Andy Cole 'on'
earlier this season. Without that kind of form we would already be out
of the Championship running. But by that definition you also have the
problem with Teddy Sheringham: When he's not in a partnership that's
functioning he becomes a good header of the ball with a snail's pace who
lacks passion, and that's all.
So if the signings aren't firing on all cylinders, what's the youth
scheme producing? John Curtis, Ben Thornley, Michael Twiss, Ronnie
Wallwork, Michael Clegg and Eric Nevland have all been flirting with the
first team this season. All experienced varying degrees of success. For
me, Michael Clegg stands out heads and shoulders above the rest - he's a
player that once you see play, you want to see more of. His
determination for the Red Cause when coming on against Monaco was there
for all to see. The others might also make the grade, yes, even Ben
Thornley.
Ben is one of the 'old' youth players, he would've progressed further
had it not been for horrific injury early in his career. Players
departing the club have helped, but Fergie obviously has some faith in
the boy. Which makes it all the more confusing for me to understand the
opinions expressed by some experienced United supporters on the list,
most notably Pete Hargreaves and Linda Harvey.
The comments made after the Barnsley Cup defeat astounded me. Pete, as
outspoken as he is Red didn't come as a great shock. But it was Linda's
admission that she didn't expect Thornley to wear the Red of United
again that really struck my sensibility, usually the voice of sanity and
reason on a list that entertains far too much uninformed opinion, the
comments were worthy of an inexperienced supporter of which Linda most
certainly is not.
But I digress, the youth system is still there producing players, but as
time goes by it will prove harder as other top clubs set the results of
our youth system as their own target. Everyone learns from successful
clubs in football, and successful we most certainly are. I would expect
another Famous Five for some time now.
Recent United signings have fail to live up to expectations, and whether
that's down to the players themselves, the choice of players by
management or an infrastructure issue with the PLC is a whole other
argument (and can of worms), but identifying that, I believe will be
crucial to our success over the next 5 years.
Thanks for reading,
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