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Date: Thurs Sep 24  GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. News Fergie to sell no more
2. Various bits and pieces  by "Our Salford RED"
3. Manchester United v Liverpool Stats
4. Injury plagues United
7. Zagreb's midfielder Silvio Maric
8. Personal: My Outlook


Daily RED Trivia  Thurs 24th September:

1952: United win the Charity Shield, beating Newcastle United 4-2 at Old
Trafford watched by 11,381. Jack Rowley 2, Johnny Downie and Roger Bryne
got the goals. Team was: Wood, McNulty, Aston, Carey, Chilton, Gibson,
Berry, Downie, Rowley, Pearson, Bryne. 

1962: Mike Phelan born in Nelson, Lancs. Phelan came from Norwich City and
made his United debut against Arsenal  in August 1989. He won an FA Cup
Winners medal in 1990, a Cup Winners Cup medal  in 1991, and a League Cup
winners medal in 1992. A versatile player, he made 145 appearances between 1989-94, 
scoring 3 goals, and won 1 England cap in 1989. Phelan won a Division 3 
Championship medal with Burnley in 1983 and a Division 2 Championship medal
with Norwich in 1986.


Next 3 games: 
Result/Fixture Index:

Today!   Liverpool   (H) PL 
Wed 30/9 Bayern M    (A) CL
Sat 3/10 Southampton (A) PL

UNITED Stats v Liverpool are here:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/vsliverpool.htm Url
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/vsliverpool.xls Excel File


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142 

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Subject: News Fergie to sell no more Alex Ferguson - Cole, Sheringham staying put. FERGIE'S PLAYERS 'NOT FOR SALE' Tommy Docherty: Alex deserves payrise Manchester United boss Alex Ferguson claims he will not be selling any of his Old Trafford stars. Aston Villa want Andy Cole, while Crystal Palace are targeting Teddy Sheringham following speculation the pair could be moving on. But Ferguson is adamant that he wants to keep his formidable squad together. "There are no players for sale," he insisted. Ferguson also laughed off reports that he wanted to sign Croatian international midfielder Silvio Maric from Croatia Zagreb. He said: "That's a good one. I don't know what you're talking about." Meanwhile, Ferguson has hinted that he is ready to pledge his future to the club for another five years. He said: "United are the best club in the business. I love it. You get ingrained in the fabric of the place. "I will be a manager for a few years yet, that's for sure - and club management is what I am good at. "International management will come many years ahead for me, maybe. I think it will come to a point when it will suit me in my weaker years. "But that's maybe five years ahead - at the moment the fire burns within Alex Ferguson just as strongly," quotes The Mirror. Ferguson's current contract at Old Trafford runs until the end of next season. But he has recently been linked with a move to Juventus and United will be keen to fend off any approach from the Italian giants by tying him down to a much longer deal. PA Sporting Life
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Subject: Various bits and pieces by "Our Salford RED" You know the old phrase, "You don't know what you've got til its gone"? I was watching the Au Revoir Cantona video recently and it reminded me just what an awesome team we had pre-95. Just thinking about the line-up brings the hairs on the back of my neck to attention - Peter in goal, Irwin, Dolly, Daisy and Parker across the back, Giggs Keane Ince and Kanchelskis in midfield, and of course, Eric and Sparky up front. Eric was the catalyst but he couldn't have done it without the rest of them. The understanding Eric and Sparky had was awesome and I remember Peter being asked at an IMUSA meeting who he missed most and he said Sparky - he could throw, kick the ball anywhere and Sparky would be under it. I'm not lessening Eric's importance, as I said earlier, he was the catalyst, the magician, the one who pulled it all together, but he had a very special team to work with. Once that team began to split up, the cracks began to show (in my opinion, the only player we didn't miss was Ince). When we won our second double, I believe it was for two reasons - Eric was on a personal mission to show the world he could do it and there was no-one who was really able to challenge us. I think this is why Eric lost his passion. When we won the league the season before last, it was a very muted celebration, both on and off the pitch. I believe this was because we knew that other teams had lost it, rather than us win it. Last season, Arsenal became the first team to really challenge us for a long time, and probably will be again this season. I don't feel down-hearted about this though, because I do believe that this team have the capability to become as good (if not better, in Euro terms) than the first double winning side. What has upset me a lot about this Murdoch deal is that it could affect that - and seemingly is doing. As I said in an earlier posting, just as they are getting it back together, the whole Murdoch affair blows up and messes it all up. I can't believe that all the speculation isn't affecting the players - they must be wondering every day what's going to happen, they wouldn't be human if they didn't. Maybe we do need another catalyst to draw it all together - personally, the only player in the world I could see doing that would be Zidane - but what we haven't to do is start panicking at this stage. All the hysteria (and I don't include you in this Alan - I know how you feel, I feel it too) about getting rid of Fergie(!) is nonsense at this stage of the season. As is all the criticism of Stam. I watched the second episode of the Alex Ferguson story last night and included in that was, of course, the 5-1 defeat at Maine Rd. Anyone criticising Stam should watch that, take particular note of the performance of Gary Pallister and give Stam a little time to prove his critics wrong (not that I think he needs to - I've been very impressed by him). Also in that programme, by the way, was an appearance by King Eric - he gives the final word on Fergie (it went something like): "He was the best manager I ever had, I respect him more than any other manager I've ever met, I thank him for everything he ever did for me, and this comes straight from the heart". As usual, he stole the programme, as it ended with him standing up and walking off camera, obviously emotional. Perhaps those "fans" who are already calling for Fergie to go, should have a word with Eric who obviously knows a little more about football than they do! Finally, what is hopefully good news - announced on GMR this morning, Ferguson has hinted that he will be soon signing a new, 5-year contract as he wants to spend the rest of his career at Manchester United. GMR's rumours are usually true, let's pray this one is. "Our Salford RED"
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Subject: Manchester United v Liverpool Stats Manchester United v Liverpool Thursday September 23, 1998 Kick-off: 8pm Referee Steven Lodge (Barnsley) Odds Man Utd 10-11 Liverpool 5-2 draw 9-4 Form Man Utd D-D-W-W-L; Liverpool D-W-W-L-D Last season Manchester United 1 - 1 Liverpool (Johnsen; Owen); Liverpool 1 - 3 Man Utd (Fowler; Cole 2, Beckham) Leading league scorers Man Utd: Yorke (3); Liverpool: Owen (4) The implications Manchester United will be looking to bounce back from their 3-0 defeat against Arsenal on Sunday. In a traditionally tight fixture, Liverpool will be hoping their defence remains so after the chaos of last weekend's 3-3 draw with Charlton. Team news Roy Evans or Gerard Houllier are keeping quiet about whether they'll pick Robbie Fowler or Karlheinz Riedle to partner Owen up front, but Fowler is favourite, with two goals on his return on Saturday. Paul Ince is rated 50-50 with a knee injury. Ronny Johnsen is out for United with ankle ligament damage. Brass tactics A lot rests on how the defences deal with the pace of Michael Owen and Ryan Giggs respectively. Alex Ferguson will encourage his midfield to provide less air-borne service to his front pair, and may be tempted to remove Giggs to a more familiar left-sided role after Jesper Blomqvist's quiet game at Highbury. Owen should be ably supported by the in-form Patrik Berger (six goals in all competitions this season) in worrying United's less than mobile central pairing of Jaap Stam and Henning Berg. Classic crunch In 1995-96 Old Trafford witnessed a typically competitive 2-2 draw, with goals from Eric Cantona and Nicky Butt offsetting a double from Robbie Fowler, who terrorised Gary Neville down the inside-right channel. Unhealed wounds A new wound has probably opened up between Paul Ince and his old boss Alex Ferguson after Ferguson called him a "big time Charlie" in this week's TV documentary. Head to head Arguably England's two best passers - David Beckham and Jamie Redknapp - have a chance to compete and compare notes. Point to prove The Liverpool central defence will be trying to show they don't need Sol Campbell's help. Who he? Danny Murphy, Liverpool's 21-year-old ex-Crewe midfielder, made some promising cameos last season and threatens more this season. Old boys Clearly Paul Ince was "big" enough to play for both clubs. Theatre Of Dreams: http://www.red11.org E-mail: barrylee@post3.tele.dk DAILY NEWS: http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/digest.htm MAIL-LIST ARCHIVE: http://www.red11.org/mufc/news/digest "RED sky at night UNITED delight"
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Subject: Injury plagues United Wednesday, September 23, 1998 Published at 11:00 GMT 12:00 UK Injury plagues United David May - struggling for fitness Manchester United's injury problems are increasing ahead of Thursday's showdown at Old Trafford against arch rivals Liverpool. Ronny Johnsen is still struggling with the ankle injury which has caused him to miss United's last two games and he is likely to be absent again. David May and Teddy Sheringham are also struggling to be in contention for a place in manager Alex Ferguson's squad because they both have knee problems. Sheringham would have figured against Arsenal on Sunday, but for the injury. Ferguson claimed he could not remember when his side last played as poorly as they did when they lost 3-0 at Highbury and he has called on his players to atone for their display against Liverpool. "It was a really disappointing performance on Sunday, but now we have the chance to right all that by making sure we perform and win against Liverpool," he said. Meanwhile Ferguson is unmoved by Aston Villa's intention to try and prise Andy Cole away from Old Trafford. "I have nothing to report on Andy Cole. It is not an issue," he said. Liverpool go into the game after their 3-3 draw with Charlton. Coach Roy Evans said: "Ours wasn't a brilliant team performance on Saturday. "It is always a big challenge between our two clubs and we both feel we have to improve on our last results." Striker Karlheinz Riedle is fit again after a groin problem providing Evans and co-boss Gerard Houllier with a choice of who to partner Michael Owen up front. Robbie Fowler is also in contention but is more likely to make the bench.
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Subject: INCE SET FOR OLD TRAFFORD RETURN INCE SET FOR OLD TRAFFORD RETURN By PA Sport Staff Liverpool skipper Paul Ince should have recovered from his knee problem in time to face Manchester United in Thursday's Premiership showdown at Old Trafford. Liverpool joint-manager Roy Evans said: "It's a boost when Ince is back, it's been said time and time again the quality of the man. "But even if he's not ready, we will still go there with great confidence. "There is no worries about motivating the players, they don't come any bigger than us against United, and hopefully we will get our just desserts for a change." The visitors also hope to have Karlheinz Riedle back to contest a front-running role with fit-again Robbie Fowler. Anfield's other joint boss Gerard Houilier is well aware of what his side are up against on Thursday. "It has to be accepted that after the ban on English clubs in Europe, Manchester United came back and are now a recognised stronghold in Europe, that is to their credit. "The record of Alex Ferguson speaks for itself. In ten years he has brought the club back to a Champions League level, and they are one of the most important clubs in Europe. "That is something to admire, and that is what we are trying to build gradually here." Houllier, who dismissed any speculation that he's in line for the England job if Glenn Hoddle goes, added: "United have had a good mixture of fine young players brought up at the club and then some top players from outside like Peter Schmeichel and Eric Cantona. That's a good blend. "They have also managed to change their style of play from Premier League to Europe. "When they go into Europe they are more controlled now, they play more with a 4-5-1 rather than a 4-4-2. "They have got acceleration and deceleration in their play, they can have a better command of the tempo of the game at times now because in the Premier League it always goes quite fast. "In Europe you can't afford to make mistakes and it helps to be able to have a slower pace to prepare from a tactical view. "They have achieved that top level football." And Houllier warned that you dare not allow United to take an early grip on the game with their power play. He said: "In the first half an hour it is always difficult against them. Even Barcelona couldn't handle them in that stage. "You must not let them settle into their game too quickly." Liverpool's teenage striking sensation Michael Owen returns to Old Trafford with the sending off last April still a nagging memory and aiming to "put that right." P>Owen said: "I was sent off and I blame myself for that. I may have cost the team two extra points, even though they did well to hang on. "I now hope to put that right. Everyone makes mistakes in their life and I made one there, but it was a learning thing for me. "I got the goal to equalise that day and I also created a couple of chances. It looked as if we would do quite well against them until I got sent off. "But you learn from your mistakes and hopefully it won't happen again." Meanwhile, Teddy Sheringham is likely to miss the match because of his injury. Sheringjam - linked with a possible switch to Crystal Palace - was absent from the side which lost to Arsenal at Highbury on Sunday with knee problems. Ronny Johnsen is also sidelined with his ankle injury, although David May may make the squad after recovering from his knee complaint. However, United boss Alex Ferguson will be aware that that Liverpool's attack will need some watching now that Fowler is back. "They could pair Fowler with Owen, while they also have Riedle, so they have a good selection up front," he said. "I think Liverpool have had a great start to the season and I saw them play at Newcastle when they won 4-1. "They played very well that day and really these games are littered with so many imponderables because there are two such good sides that you don't know how the game is going to go." PA Sporting Life
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Subject: FERGIE WANTS FIVE MORE YEARS / PALACE HUNT FOR SHERINGHAM FERGIE WANTS FIVE MORE YEARS WITH UNITED (23/09/98 09:04:11) Manchester United boss Alex Ferguson has hinted that he is ready to pledge his future to the club for another five years. Ferguson said: "United are the best club in the business. I love it. You get ingrained in the fabric of the place. "I will be a manager for a few years yet, that`s for sure - and club management is what I am good at." Provided by PANEWS PALACE STILL IN HUNT FOR SHERINGHAM (23/09/98 18:02:44) Alex Ferguson claims he will resist Crystal Palace`s attempts to sign Teddy Sheringham. Palace chairman Mark Goldberg sees the England striker as the man to help turn the club around after their poor start. Goldberg is determined to act immediately to arrest Palace`s dismal run on their return to the First Division, where they have collected just seven points from seven games. Goldberg has set off on a European shopping spree for new players with coach Terry Venables, determined to act immediately to arrest Palace`s dismal start to the season on their return to the first division - they have just seven points from seven games. Although he splashed out on more than half a dozen new signings over the summer, Goldberg is prepared to fund even more purchases in the wake of the recent sales of Hermann Hreidarsson to Brentford and Neil Shipperley to Nottingham Forest.
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Subject: Zagreb's midfielder Silvio Maric Manchester United to talk to Croatia's Maric-paper ZAGREB, Sept 23 - The father of Croatia Zagreb's midfielder Silvio Maric will hold talks next month with Manchester United, a Croatian newspaper reported on Wednesday. Maric's contract negotiations with Zagreb have broken down. "As we have learned, Silvio Maric's father will spend four days in October, from 15 to 18, when he will negotiate with Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson," Vecernji List said. It added that Maric's father had not ruled out further negotiations with Croatia Zagreb. "I cannot believe Silvio said he did not want to discuss staying at Croatia, I think he said that on a whim. I think he needs to talk," his father told the paper. Maric helped the national team to their unexpected third place in the World Cup, playing mostly as substitute. He is seen as crucial for Croatia Zagreb's European ambitions. They are in the Champions' League for the first time this season, where they play in Group A with Ajax Amsterdam, Porto and Olympiakos Piraeus.
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Subject: Personal: My Outlook Hi Fellow Reds I feel I must my opinion to what has been said lately on the two digests. I am very perturbed by some of the "news" items being reported along with some of the supposed quotations being written lately. 1.The reporting that a BskyB representative has gone behind Fergie's back to try and purchase Hidetoshi Nakata from Italian outfit Perugia, I take with a pinch of salt. I am of the opinion that this is only rumourmongering by either somebody or other. Whatever anybody might say about Murdoch, don't anybody make the mistake of thinking that he is a fool. He didn't make all his millions by "killing the goose that laid the golden egg". I am NOT writing this letter in defense of Murdoch, but like I have said before,I prefer to adopt a "wait-and-see" attitude. I do think that he is not investing 623.4 million for his love of Manchester United, and that there IS an ulterior motive, bearing in mind the pay-per-view TV, and the renewal of the TV rights as a whole in 2001. However, and with all due respect to Mick Hucknall, what is the difference between Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner(are we to believe this story also?)? I be that if anyone were to ask Ted Turner to name one player in the first team of Manchester United, he would do NO better than the BskyB representative. So, if one has the right to question Murdoch's motives, what has Turner done to be any different? Anyway, whatever happens, we must ALL wait until the ruling by the office of Fair Trading which is due on September 28th before finding out who will be the Old Trafford landlords. There are three conclusions that I must draw from all the talks & events that have occurred over the last few weeks a) that the club WILL have new owners in the near future, b) that the 623.4 million buyout figure will go much higher seeing that there are more bidders coming out of the woodwork, and c) that the only person laughing all the way to the bank is CEO Martin Edwards. I must say that I find it EXTRADORINARY that he is being given a seat on the BskyB board as part of his deal for selling out. I am not a financial wizard, but as an average man in the street, I think Fartin Martin has sold the club down the drain just to decorate the lining in his own pockets. We shall soon see. 2. I am also very unhappy at some of the crap (in my opinion) being voiced recently about Jaap Stam. After watching the Barcelona game, which for me was refereed by a blind asshole, the man of the match for me was Jaap Stam. And then along came the debacle of Highbury. I have read where some people are saying that Jaap had a very poor game, and they held him responsible for 2 of the Arsenal goals. What Rubbish!!! I don't know if I was watching the same game as some of the other contributors to the list, but the commentator on the match (Dempsey, or Bloom?) absolutely tore Jaap to shreds for his performance. Yet, who was Stam marking during the game? None other than Bergkamp. And how did he play? Lousy in my opinion. Why? Because he was marked out of the game by Stam. I must add that in my opinion, Henning Berg had a terrible game, and that Stam at times was covering for Berg as well as doing his own job. Why, oh why did we have to sell Pally so quickly? And, when is Ronny's injury going to be a thing of the past. I would also like to add that I was amazed that Fergie did not make changes, if not at 1/2 time, then at least sometime during the second half. However, Alex has NEVER ever let the club down, and therefore I'm sure that he had written off the Arsenal game and was planning ahead to silence the scousers on Thursday night- maybe checking out a 90 minute run for Blomqvist? I do think a fully fit Blomqvist will be an asset to the club, but from what I saw on Sunday, there is still a bit to go before he get's there. Also, the same can be said for Keano. I'm sure there will be a far more motivated performance on Thursday night. Whatever the outcome of the ruling on September the 28th, I would like to finish off by saying something about the buyout drama. While sympathizing with Linda, and DA, to name but 2, regarding the heart & soul of the club, I could NEVER even contemplate me supporting ANY other club. Manchester United has been my life for nigh on 34 years now, AND will be for the next 34, God willing. Therefore, Murdoch, or Turner, or whoever buy's out the club, they will not put me off supporting the GREATEST football club in the world. To use David's phrase, I'm "Red 'til I'm dead" FOREVER RED Gerry Byrne Port Elizabeth South Africa ICQ No: 6822843
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