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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Wed Oct 21 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
2. Manchester United need win over Brondby 
3. The RED-Devils Advocate A Keane Bunch, And Waiting for Goddle 
4. Munich Diary (Part 2) J STAND RED
5. Munich Diary (The Final Frontier)
6. Uk & Munich trip


Daily RED Trivia  Wed 21st October:

21 1967: Paul Ince was born in Ilford. Costing £2.4 million from West Ham, he made his 
debut against Millwall in September 1989.  Ince won Premiership medals in 1993 and               
1994, FA Cup Winners medals in 1990 and 1994, a League Cup Winners medal in 
1992 and a European Cup Winners Cup medal in 1991. The chirpy midfielder made                   
275 appearances and scored 28  goals between 1989-1995. He has won over 30
England caps,  appearing in the 1996 European Championships and 1998 World Cup 
Finals. Ince moved to Inter Milan and Liverpool after his United days. 

21 1995: United win 4-1 at Chelsea in a Premiership game watched by 31,019. Paul
Scholes 2, Ryan Giggs and Brian McClair scored for the Reds. Team was: Schmeichel,
G.Neville, Irwin, Bruce, Butt, Pallister, Cantona, Keane, Cole, Scholes (McClair),Giggs.

Barry Daily Comment:  

Well I'm off to "Parken" in Copenhagen this morning! Expect my Brondby report sometime during
Thursday. Looking forward to this one! Peter Schmeichel will play, Irwin can be doubtful
with an ankle injury, Ronny still out.

  Barry "diggin the potatoes" warming up in Aalborg.

Reminder: by the end of November all United's first team games
will be live on realaudio via the official web site (www.ManUtd.com)


Next 4 games: 
Result/Fixture Index:

TODAY!    Brondby     (A) CL
Sat 24/10 Derby       (A) PL
Wed 28/10 Bury        (H) LC (Worthington Cup)
Sat 31/10 Everton     (A) PL 

UNITED Stats v Derby are here:


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181
03/10/98    Southampton              Away     W  3-0     2    15,251
17/10/98    Wimbledon                Home     W  5-1     2    55,265

Champions league: 30/9             
Barcelona     2 Brondby 0      
Bayern Munich 2 Man Utd 2

GROUP D     P W D L  GF GA PTS      Next "CL" Match
Barcelona   2 1 1 0  5  3   4         TODAY! Brondby v Man Utd 21/10
Brondby     2 1 0 1  2  3   3
ManUnited   2 0 2 0  5  5   2
BMunchen    2 0 1 1  3  4   1


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Subject: SCHMEICHEL ON COURSE FOR EURO DATE SCHMEICHEL ON COURSE FOR EURO DATE Manchester United goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel looks set to play in Wed night's Champions' League clash against his former club Brondby. The Danish star, who has been sidelined for three weeks with a stomach muscle injury, flew to Copenhagen today with the rest of the United party. Schmeichel came though a double training session yesterday with no after effects, although United have brought third choice goalkeeper Nick Culkin in addition to reserve Raimond van der Gouw in case Schmeichel breaks down before the Group D game in the Parken Stadium. Schmeichel's progress is a welcome boost to United boss Alex Ferguson, who is without five internationals for the crucial game. Denis Irwin, who has a knee injury, Teddy Sheringham (calf), Ronny Johnsen (ankle) and the suspended duo of Nicky Butt and David Beckham are missing.
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Subject: Manchester United need win over Brondby COPENHAGEN, Oct 20 - Manchester United expect to have Peter Schmeichel back in goal for their must-win Champions' League match against Brondby on Wednesday. After drawing their first two group matches, 2-2 with Bayern Munich and 3-3 with Barcelona, United badly need a victory in the Parken Stadium to keep alive their hope of winning Group D. They believe Schmeichel has recovered sufficiently from a tornstomach muscle to take his place against his former team, who shocked Bayern Munich by winning 2-1 at home Schmeichel was able to train on Sunday and Monday and it willbe something of a major surprise if he is not between the posts," a spokesman for the club said on Tuesday. Midfielders David Beckham and Nicky are suspended, however, and United's injury list includes several other key players. Ronny Johnsen has not made the trip because of an ankle injury, Denis Irwin has a knee problem and may not be able to playwhile Teddy Sheringham has a thigh injury. Brondby lacks midfield general John Jensen who is suspended. Both sides displayed impressive scoring power in their weekend league matches, Manchester trouncing Wimbledon 5-1 and Brondby defeating Herfoelge by the same score. "We are travelling to Copenhagen to win and it is our goal to advance in the European Champions' League," Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson said. "If we beat Brondby and if Bayern Munich beat Barcelona the group will be turned uside down," he said, adding United would need three points both away and at home against Brondby to win group D. After two rounds Barcelona top the standings with four points, Brondby have three, Manchester United two and Bayern Munich one point. In a pre-season friendly last summer, United beat Brondby 6-0 and the Danes feel their opponents cannot help underestimating them. "That could give us a small chance to surprise," Brondby coach Ebbe Skovdahl said. But Ferguson said his side know Brondby would not be easy opponents. "We must have confidence in our own players and that our way of playing will earn us a win," he said. After fielding 4-5-1 line-ups against Bayern Munich and Barcelona, Skovdahl is considering a more offensive 4-4-2 formation on Wednesday with national team striker Ebbe Sand and Bo Hansen starting up front. Hansen is third in the domestic league scoring sheet with ninegoals in 11 games. Sand has seven goals, two last weekend. Probable teams: Brondby - Mogens Krogh; Soeren Colding, Per Nielsen, Kenneth Rasmussen, Brian Jensen; Ole Bjur, Allan Ravn, Kim Daugaard, Thomas Lindrup; Ebbe Sand, Bo Hansen. Manchester United - Peter Schmeichel; Wes Brown, Gary Neville, Jaap Stam, Philip Neville; Paul Scholes, Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, Jesper Blomqvist; Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke.
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Subject: The RED-Devils_Advocate A Keane Bunch, And Waiting for Goddle The RED-Devils_Advocate Published: 4th Oct 1998 - by Alex Paylor http://www.red11.org/mufc/devilsadvocate/reditorial.htm "A Keane Bunch, And Waiting for Goddle (To Go)" Nice to see such a clinical carving up of Wimbledon, or WimbleTon, as some North American broadcasters still insist on saying. God, and his right hand man Glenn Hoddle, only know why. I have to think the return to form of both Roy Keane and United are more than passing coincidence. The bite has returned to Royís game, he is match fit again, and the confidence he exudes is spreading throughout the entire team. Included in that assessment is young Wes Brown, who, if his Saturday performance is anything to go by, is another encouraging sign of Unitedís future success. I was convinced toward the end of last season that the absence of Keane and Ryan Giggs was going to cost United their chance at any silverware, and was, sadly proven right. If the point needed underlining it got just that at Old Trafford on Saturday. The team plays far more smoothly, with more direct purpose with Keano and Giggs on the field. If both can manage to get through the season reasonably injury free, I can see us winning a trophy or three. By all accounts Gary Neville played a pretty decent game for England against Bulgaria. Then why, Mr. Hoddle, didnít he play against Luxembourg. Obviously playing well doesnít mean very much in the current England setup, but then again what does? If Alan Shearer didnít utter "Did you ever stop to think it might be you?" he certainly should have. I have written before how damaging I believed the publication of Hoddleís World Cup 98 memoirs was to the England cause. I believe it now more firmly than ever. I have long doubted Hoddleís ability to inspire belief and confidence in the England players, and I donít believe he is the kind of manager for whom players will go to the wall, and through it if necessary. Before the 1968 European Cup Final, Brian Kidd was repeatedly heard to say "We must win it for the boss", the boss, of course, being Matt Busby. Sir Matt was the kind of man for whom players would give everything. he was respected, and loved by those who played for him. Hoddle isnít, and never will be. The man will never admit to making a mistake, opting instead to lay the blame at someone elseís doorstep. If Tony Adams book is to be believed Hoddle poured scorn on David Beckham during a training session in France this past summer, all because Beckham was having trouble with a free kick routine. This apparently took place on the morning of the infamous Argentina match. If Hoddle was hoping to inspire the young United player by such treatment then the opposite happened. And quite frankly it helps explain what happened during the match. Sending one of your most talented and important players into a game of such magnitude with the memories of scathing criticism fresh in his mind is hardly the prepatory tactic of a thinking man. I have said it before but it bears repeating. Hoddle made a mistake of mountainous magnitude by publishing his book while still England manager. Slagging players you expect to play for the team again, and blaming them for what goes wrong without accepting any of the responsibility yourself will earn only the disrespect of those players. It is obvious Hoddle cares only for how he is seen. Hoddle the master tactician, the brilliant footballing brain whose cross it is to bear that the players canít carry out his master plan. The trouble with his kind is they will tell you to do one thing, then, when it doesnít work, swear blind they actually told you to do something completely different. The FA, being the FA, have taken the opposite action to what was required. instead of replacing Hoddle, they have decided to keep him, and give him a raise. Just how bad do things have to get before the light shines through the foggy windows at Lancaster Gate and they bring in a real manager to take over? English football is not short on talent at the playing level. But the best players will not perform to their capabilities without a good manager. I would hate to see England miss out on the next Euro championship tournament. But I am afraid that the odds are greater of that happening with Hoddle in charge, than they would be with someone else at the helm. So why all of this angst over how England are doing? Well, to be honest, I still care very much how my countryís national side plays. I support the team and therefore the anti-England chanting I hear coming from United fans bothers me. I understand how it started and why it continues, and believe me, I am totally disgusted with the treatment afforded United players when they turn out for England. To my way of thinking if you are English you support EVERY player wearing the three lions on his chest, no matter where they play their club football. It is sad to hear England "supporters" trashing such players as Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Sheringham and the Neville brothers simply because they play for Manchester United. I donít believe any true England supporter would do so. As far as the United fans reaction of anti England chants goes, I wish it would stop. To me, such chants, even though their origin is clear, are just as debasing to Unitedís England players as the crap they hear from certain elements of the crowd at England matches. I donít remember any anti-United rubbish being aimed at Bobby Charlton and Nobby Stiles when they played for the national side. I feel proud when any United player is picked to play for his country, whatever that country happens to be. It is an affirmation of the fact that every United player is a quality player. Those who choose to aim their anti-United venom at our lads during England games do all of us who are proud of our country a great disservice. Their logic is on a par with the morons who beat up a newspaper reporter during the world Cup after he wrote about them and referred to them as violent thugs. Now that kind of behaviour proves their point, donít you think? ***************************************************************** Comments/Email to: The RED-Devils_Advocate red_devils_advocate@yahoo.com Guest Book: Sign http://jupiter.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbsign.dbm?owner=reditorial View http://jupiter.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=reditorial RED Regards Alex Paylor, Barry and Bill!
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Subject: Munich Diary (Part 2) DAY TWO ======= 10am: Even though I was last to bed,I was the first to surface;Paul and Mick still being in their dream worlds.Having shared a room with Mick in Copenhagen (and having been subjected to methane poisoning of the worst kind imaginable),one thing I did notice on awakening was that the aroma of the room was actually OK.(A tip to anybody sharing with him in the future - Alan and Paul S in Barcelona..haha - keep him off the Guinness and you're safe.Pity that there are a few Irish Bars their though !!). I thought it a shame not to give some sort of "pay-back" to Mick,so I dropped one in the bathroom that the sausage man himself would have been proud of and then had a life-saving shower (Alan,you weren't there in person,but you were definately there in smell - this one was at least as good as the one you dropped at Boarding Gate 41 !!).Somehow the shower drainage became blocked (purely coincidental I'm sure) and the bathroom flooded.What had originally been left as a gift to Mick,then became an inhaling nightmare for the plumber who had to spend an hour taking the pipes apart to clear the blockage !! Poor bastard ! Shower overwith,and having stepped over Paul who had adopted the sleeping foetus position by the window,I then pulled the curtains back to look at what it was like outside.All of a sudden,I had this terrible feeling of deja-vu as I looked across the road and saw the pub that I had spent the last 2 hours of the previous night drinking in a mere 50 metres up the road.To think that I had walked what seemed like miles to try and find the hotel after leaving the pub the night before,only to find that it was a 30 second walk away,did not go down particularly well !! I then remembered about Gordon and had visions of the poor sod sleeping rough in some nearby alleyway (just what he needed after 24 hours on a coach and several hours serious drinking ).I wondered around outside for a while,but couldn't find him.I then remembered that we had arranged to meet Andy,Sean and Tim who were flying in from Manchester that lunchtime in a bar called Mulligans,the only problem being that Gordon had the address and I didn't have a clue where it was ! After asking loads of people without success,I finally found a taxi driver who knew where it was and he was decent enough to point me in the direction of the subway as it was 4 stops away.Actually,I think that he was more concerned about me dumping some contents on his back seat than the lost fare (I didn't look particularly well).I asked him whether he was going to the match and he said "No,I hate those Bavarian bastards !! Seems like Bayern are liked as much as we are then ! I finally got to Mulligan's at the arranged time,only to find no Sean,no Tim,no Andy and no Gordon !! I hung around for an hour and tried calling Sean on his mobile several times,but there was no sign of anyone. Thankfully,I then got a call from Sean to say that their flight had just arrived after a 2 hour delay and that they were heading into the city centre,so I set off to meet them.There was still no sign of Gordon though.It's at times like this that the mind starts to play tricks and I had now reached the stage where I thought that he'd either been mugged or else had been arrested for sleeping rough !! On getting back into the city centre and heading towards the place where we had arranged to meet,I turned a corner and saw 100 red United shirts walking towards me."The club trip's arrived then" I chuckled to myself !! It's funny really,but there are definately two very distinct groups of supporters that follow United;those who wear every team- identifying thing that they possibly can (the Plc's dream),and those who wear....a pin badge at most (if that).Of the several hundred independent travellers who were out in town on the Tuesday night,I saw one wearing a United top (and he is a well-known long-standing red).Of the couple of thousand club-trippers who arrived on the day of the match,almost all were wearing club apparel.Please don't think that I am having a go at them here;it's just an observation as everybody is entitled to show their support in whatever way they want. After finally finding Sean,Tim and Andy,we jumped on the (free) U-Bahn and headed back to Mulligan's to see whether Gordon had turned up (it was now nearly 3 hours after the arranged meeting time).Much to our's and his delight,there he was,sitting at the bar,beer in hand !! For the second day running,we greeted each other as if we were long-lost brothers ! It turns out that after he was kicked out of my hotel,he wandered back up to the station intending to crash out there,only to bump into 2 lads that we both know and always seem to find in obscure streets in Europe but never at home.They were on their way back to their hotel (at 5am !!) and he was able to crash out with them. Muchos drinking and a good sing-a-long to a Bob Dylan CD (very worrying) that DJ Sean had found behind the bar (he's 6' 6'' and ex-armed forces, so they couldn't really argue with him when he climbed over) later,we left Mulligan's with them considerably richer and us feeling not-so-well (not bad for 4 hours drinking) and headed off towards the stadium in good voice on the (free) U-Bahn again. Naturally,the train was full of Bayern fans,together with a sprinkling of reds looking in much the same condition as we were.Everybody was in good spirits though and there was no bother. Now I touched upon this when I wrote a few words after arriving back from Munich,but some of their supporters had to be seen to be believed.Quite simply,they looked like a complete bunch of dicks,even worse than the barcode Geordies,if that is possible.I thought for a few moments that I'd been put in Doctor Who's Tardis and transported back to a Slade or Bay City Rollers concert in the mid-70's,seeing as there were a large number of clowns of various ages walking around in sleeveless denim jackets covered in sew-on patches,headbands and,I kid you not,up to 10 scarves hanging off *each* of their arms,not to mention waist and any other part of their body that they could tie them to !!! Oh,and the 1970's haircut was much in existence as well.Martin Edwards must have been wanking off at the average merchandise takings per fan !! All that was missing was a few dressed up in butcher's coats (remember them ?) I can just imagine what it would have been like had it kicked off.Scarves rotating like helicopter blades and thousands of germans being propelled into the air,whilst the reds on the ground are rolling around the floor in hysterics.It's probably just as well that it didn't kick off,as there no were police to be seen anywhere near the station or around the outer perimeter of the ground. The stadium itself was the centrepiece of the Munich Olympics (1972 I think ?).With the refit that it had for the European Championships in 1994,it looked impressive from the outside at least,and there were plenty of much-needed food (and beer) stands on the perimeter. Despite looking for it,we couldn't find our turnstile,so we just followed everybody else in.Thinking about it,I'm not sure whether we even had our own turnstile,which kind of makes a mockery of the safety regulations that you expect at European games.At least there was a police presence at the turnstile and I managed to secure a body search from a particularly nice German policewoman. When we did get in,we realised that we were at the wrong end of the ground,so we just walked around the inner perimeter until we came to our section.Very strange.Quite how the Munich police control crowds when fighting breaks out,I have no idea,because anyone can go anywhere. We had a reasonable turnout - perhaps 3500 -but I was expecting a lot more seeing as the beer festival was on and because of the historical significance of Munich.Perhaps we've got more post-93 supporters who have no idea about the history of our club than I feared ? I thought that it was an excellent gesture for a minute's silence to be held before the game started.All of the Germans to a man stood in silence (we were all standing of course),and it was very much appreciated by all of the reds. The game itself was largely enjoyable,we did enough (and deserved) to win,and the support level was excellent,even though I have since watched a little bit on video and noticed that the atmosphere did not come across at all well.However,the enjoyment of the night was ruined by the mad Danes suicide mission in the last minute.I can't bring myself around to actually watch that part of the video,but it looked bad enough from our (the opposite) end of the ground.Everybody was on such a high until then,we were in the middle of an excellent rendition of the Red Flag and everyone who was staying over that night was looking forward to a superb night out on the town,and then disaster struck.When the final whistle went,it felt as if we'd lost.We bid farewell to Andy who was flying straight back and trundled on back to the city centre feeling very down. As if everything was conspiring against us,we tried to get entry into a few pubs in the Marienplatz area of town,but they were all in the process of shutting,so we headed back to the Schillers Cafe which, incidentally,had some amazing boxing memorabilia in it.The owner,a very good Les Dawson lookalike (and also very mean looking) was an ex-boxing champion,and had all sorts of stuff on the walls,including championship belts and a lot of Ali stuff. A couple of hundred other solemn-looking reds (including the found-again Mick and Paul) were already there and it took a couple of hours before people started to liven up once the alcohol had had the desired effect.By 1am,most people had put the football to one side and we even had a mass rendition of American Pie and a Stone Roses song,much to the amusement of the 5 full riot squad vans parked up outside the bar.I am sure that they expected it to kick off,but we are United (not Ing-er- land) and we know how to behave ourselves. Kevin (of Full Monty infamy in the Hofbrauhaus Beer Tent the night before),once again became the star of the evening by recounting a story of somebody that he had seen throw up earlier,only to then run to the nearest alleyway (the entrance to the strip club next door !) and throw up himself !! Before I forget,I ought also to mention one of the funniest moments of the trip.At the other end of the ground to where we were stood,there was a large union jack flag with "Manchester City..German Blues" on it.At half time,there was a race between a group of reds to see who could get the flag first.One red did and ripped it down.By the time that he made it back to the Schillers Cafe after the match,all that remained on the flag was "Manchester" !! I should also mention a story of an event that I (thankfully) didn't witness,but have heard and read enough about since not to doubt its authenticity.As children might be reading,I'll keep it toned down. Anyway,a certain well-known red had his sexual frustration "relieved" for him by another well-known and not-so-young red of the opposite gender,all of this happening on the terrace in view of hundreds of reds, culminating in the said pair disappearing for a "Monica" behind a burger bar after Scholsie had scored !! Paul went back to the hotel at about 2am and Mick at about 3am.The police vans left at 4am to loud cheers from the hundred or so remaining reds.Sean and Tim carried on 'til 5am and then headed off to the airport to catch their 7am flight.Gordon and I carried on until the bar closed at just before 6am.I couldn't get back into the hotel until Little Adolf ended his shift at about 7am (I hope that you're reading this Mr Scully -the cheeky bastard was even sleeping in my bed when I finally got back to the room !!),so I went off to get some breakfast instead,finally getting back to my room at 7:30am. Part three to follow (the last part,I promise !!) Richard Copyright 1998.Nothing is to be reprinted without the express permission of the author.
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Subject: Munich Diary (The Final Frontier) DAY THREE (final part) ========= 10:30am: What a pair of wimps I have travelled with.Once again,I was the last in and the first up,this time having only had 3 hours sleep.These youngsters have got no stamina !! It was check out time and after we all left it seemed only logical to wander up the road to our spiritual home for the past 3 days,the Schiller Cafe,only this time alcohol was definately not on the agenda;food and water definately were though.Not suprisingly,the usual Motley Crue were already there,most with beers in their hands. We had talked about it ever since we'd arrived,but we were definately going to go up to the old Riem Airport today in order to pay our respects.Mustering up the energy to actually leave proved a little harder,as everyone was still slammed from the night before ! Eventually, however,about 8 of us (including myself,Mick,Paul and bagman Kerry - the only person I know who needs 2 bags of luggage for a 3 day slumming it piss up trip !!) left for the 20 minute or so subway journey to the nearest station to the old runway.With our trusted guide Tony,the London Association membership secretary,in charge of the map,a 10 minute walk at the other end brought us to a well-maintained small cross memorial on the corner of two country lanes in the village of Kirchtrudering. We all stood there in perfect silence.One United scarf adorned the cross,with what looked like a single red rose tucked in just behind the body.A small brass plaque,in German,at the foot of the cross was the only thing that identified why the memorial was there.Judging by the well-maintained flower bed around the cross,it was obvious that the memorial means as much to the local community as it does to United supporters,and that only added to the poignancy of the moment. Mick placed another scarf at the foot of the cross and we all took our respective and respectful photographs.After spending another couple of minutes in complete silence and with our own private thoughts,we wondered up to the large open field at the top of the lane.I guess this is where the runway was,though you couldn't tell exactly where because the old airport is no longer there.In a way,however,I was pleased that this was the case,as it would probably have been too much to know the exact spot. I haven't had chance to get my pictures developed yet,but as soon as I do,I'll get some copied and sent to Barry so that he can put them onto his website for you all to share. We then headed back towards the city centre.Some went straight to the airport for the return journey,others who were staying on for another day went back to Schiller's Cafe.I initially went back to the city centre to get a couple of things from the Bayern Munich souvenir shop and then went on to the airport,only to find on arrival that my Debonair flight back to Luton had been delayed for 90 minutes.Still,it could have been worse,as the other Debonair flight was delayed for 4 hours ! I finally arrived back home at midnight,and crawled into bed at 1am with the prospect of having to get up again at 4am so as to catch a flight to Amsterdam for a stag weekend (tough life,tough week ?..yeah right !). Days 4,5 and 6 of this week I will not tell you about,except to say to Alan that "Czech Pickup" is still there and so are a few of her mates !! All in all,I would rate this as one of the best European aways that I have had the fortune to go on.It would have been nice to have picked up all 3 points,but that wasn't to be. My lasting memory of the trip ? Well,its obvious isn't it. -- Richard Copyright 1998.No part is to be reproduced without the express permission of the author.
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From: roger murney Subject: uk& munich trip Well it was a trip well worth the exspence,the canadian peso does not strech very far these days especially in the nyphenburg and lowenbrau halls it was a pleasure to hook up with dave menashe I enjoyed his posting on oct 3/4 I thought there would have been a mention from the club at the memorial site at riem airport. I was anxious to be there and felt better for going and meeting some really sincere united supporters the only down on the whole 3 weeks was peter deciding he could really fly. enjoyed beating the ''mickey mousers' sat in a 38 feet limo at OT joking with the punters it belongs to rupert the driver was losing his bottle and asked to cut the light hearted banter out arrived at heathrow 9 pm fri rented a car ,shot up to leicester to pick up my son ben to take him to the dell he is 21 born in toronto and loves mufc epecially the singing .i have to admit that I have to return my england travel card for I cannot be a hypocrite after joining in the anti INGERLUND songs so sad I have attended every world and euro we have been in, we in the past tense for I am saddened by the ABUse us red devils recieve from the majority of herberts who wear 3 lions does anybody know if it is firm that the old FArts are signing a contract to play at OT while wembley is rebuilt Sorry to waffle on but I have a story that might interest some older reds and hopefully some younger ones through friends of mine in toronto whose father,TOMMY LOWRIE played 14 games in the 40,s I met and had lunch with tommy ,he lives in glasgow but still has contact with sandy and sheena busby ,tommy told me so many tales of Sir Matt,s first few years at OT.one of which was after he had returned to M/C area to play for oldham ,he had left united to join jimmy delaney at aberdeen where he was paid 15 pds a week as to 12 at mufc how times have changed while in ashton visiting my cousins betting shop I was introduced to henry Cockburn I told him my father was a great supporter home and away in the late 40.s Also I mentioned meeting tommy here in canada ,i gave henry his address and phone # on arriving back in toronto I recieved news that they are in contact and will be meeting again tommy is amember of the ex players assocition and has invited me to a dinner next june I exspect to be living in England next year so I will be there hopefully these contacts will help me get a good season ticket location although BEN wants k stand up the reds roger ps does anybody know whats gone with radio 5 on the net pps I was delayed in munich thxs to bavarian hospitality thanks to Monika for all your help
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