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MANUNITED.NETLANE.COM : TODAYS NEWS
Date: Sat Mar 21 09:42:35 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

A complete weekend "no football" just what the doctor called for!
We'll be back Greetings to REDS all over the world
Keep the faith
your editor  Barry Leeming in Denmark the land of goalkeepers.


This Issue:
1. Woodwork squeaks and out come the freaks
2. Edwards theory
3. MAN UTD news from TEAMTALK
4. Martin Edwards come on down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Giggs's big goals this year
6. HUCKERBY
7. The New Manchester United Museum

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From: Ian GRANT 
Subject:   Woodwork squeaks and out come the freaks
To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU

I don't usually post newspaper articles to the list (I can never be sure
if it's already been posted). But I'm posting this article from the
Electronic Telegraph by Henry Winter because I think it highlights some
critical points and home truths about the reality of our situation.
I would encourage some list members to take special note. Espically the
paragraph starting "Criticism cannot be levelled at Ferguson", I then
hope they review the absolute crap they've sent to the list over the
last couple of days.


COUNTING THE COST.

RIPPLES continued to spread across the well of Manchester United's
despair yesterday. England, as well as United, were left to count the
cost of Wednesday night's defeat to Monaco on away goals in the
quarter-finals of the European Cup, writes Henry Winter.

Glenn Hoddle's players gather at Bisham Abbey today to commence training
for next week's friendly in Switzerland. The United contingent will be
depleted: Paul Scholes, Gary and Phil Neville will not attend, and Andy
Cole and Nicky Butt are doubtful, though David Beckham and Teddy
Sheringham should be present.

"We are aware of some injuries at Manchester United," David Davies, the
Football Association's director of public affairs, said last night.
"Alex Ferguson and Glenn will be talking again about the matter. Glenn
selected a large squad to deal with all eventualities. I'm not aware of
any plans for players to be called up."

The real issue between Ferguson and Hoddle regards Scholes, who needs
some foreign bodies washed out of a knee, a simple operation involving a
three-week lay-off. But such are United's injury problems that Ferguson
may decide to nurse Scholes through until the championship is settled;
Scholes can play but not with 100 per cent movement.

If Arsenal take United down to the wire, Scholes's operation would not
be until May 11. England depart on their pre-France 98 tour 13 days
later with the final squad to be announced by June 2. Time is tight. "We
have been reviewing the Scholes situation today," said a United
spokesman, "and Alex Ferguson and Glenn Hoddle are to discuss it
further."

Ferguson's responsibility lies with United, not England and, as he
ponders the Scholes dilemma, his mind will doubtless turn ruefully to
today's European Cup draw. The way the four semi-finalists used the
winter transfer window may prove instructive to United. Real Madrid
signed the Brazilian forward, Savio, and the skilful French midfielder,
Christian Karembeu, both of whom started in Wednesday's 3-0 (4-1
aggregate) defeat of Bayer Leverkusen.

Juventus, 4-1 winners over Dynamo Kiev (5-2 on aggregate), registered
two young Uruguayans, Cesar Pellegrin and Marcelo Zalayeta, and most
notably Edgar Davids, the dynamic Dutch international from A C Milan.
Borussia Dortmund, who slipped past Bayern Munich 1-0 on the night and
on aggregate, acted to cover the absence of Matthias Sammer by promoting
Manfred Binz, a German international formerly with Brescia.

Monaco's mid-season manoeuvring was less complicated, although still
intriguing. Eric Di Meco, a veteran of Marseille's 1993 European Cup
final success, had retired but remained registered and was given the No
26 shirt as cover for injuries.

So while the four eventual semi-finalists were investing in players such
as Karembeu, Davids and Binz, and dusting down old hands such as Di
Meco, United were effectively standing still, even reducing their
contingent by selling Karel Poborsky. UEFA's official note on Old
Trafford's transfer-window activity reads: "Alex Ferguson made inquiries
about several foreign players . . . but when the registration deadline
arrived, he said 'I'm happy with what I've got'."

Ferguson's view was understandable. United had just finished top of a
group containing Juventus and were forging ahead domestically. Equally,
Old Trafford takes great pride in the young players reared on Red
traditions, such as Michael Clegg, a substitute against Monaco. But
Ferguson's squad had become stretched, through the rigours of English
competitions.

The damage deepened. Already missing Roy Keane, United then lost Ryan
Giggs, Gary Pallister and Peter Schmeichel. The latter pair, key
defensive components, had been present for every second of United's six
Group B games while Giggs started five of them. When United required
winter reinforcements most, none had been made available.

"We need strengthening, no question of that," Ferguson said in the wake
of Wednesday's disappointment. "After we lost Keane with the injury,
Scholes and Butt did really well immediately and that allowed me to
think we could get through the season. But when it came to it we had to
patch up the team."

Criticism cannot be levelled at Ferguson. United's manager is regularly
linked with overseas talent, such as Marcelo Salas or Gabriel Batistuta.
His willingness to recruit is not at issue. Nor, really, is the fee;
Ferguson, after all, spent 7 million on Andy Cole. The problem with
foreigners such as Batistuta is the salary, substantially beyond the
payslips of Ferguson's squad. Introducing a Batistuta into the dressing
room would mean improving other players' wages or risking resentment.

So Ferguson is left in a quandary. His other concern, one that affects
all managers of plc-governed clubs, is whether such wages would be
sanctioned by directors. If Ferguson had won the European Cup without
significant outlay, it would have been a triumph for economical
management.

Yesterday morning United's stock market value fell by 26 million to
353.3 million. Despite Ajax's youth-driven success in 1995, the feeling
persists that real investment is needed to compete in the Real world.

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Ian Grant,
igrant@businessobjects.com
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From: "Hamzah S.Hothaifa" 
Subject:   Edwards theory
To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU

I think what Martin Edwards said about it being too late to sign new
players is absolutely right for 3 reasons:

1-New players at this time of season will cost more money.

2-Those players will need time to blend in with the team.

3-We don't need new players to win the league, because the current team
are the best in England by a mile.

So when we win the league come the end of the season, we can start
thinking about new players and I'm still sticking by
my choice of Sol Campbell in defence, Spurs struggling does not mean he
is not a good player, just go back to the England
Italy game when he played a big role in England reaching the World cup
finals and if you look back at our games this season and the one before
you may notice that none of our centre forwards scored against Spurs so
he must have been doing a good
job, and besides Keane was signed from Forest after they were relegated,
Pally was singed from Boro and Robson from WBA........get my point??!

United we shall stand!..........regards / Hamzah




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From: Helgi Adalsteinsson 
Subject:   MAN UTD news from TEAMTALK
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Schmeichel boost  

           Peter Schmeichel is hopeful of making the next Premiership game
           - at home to Wimbledon a week on Saturday. 
           The big Dane said: 
           "I hope to be fit. I have never had an injury like this so you can
           never say. I don't know what the sickness I get from my injury is
           and what it means. "But I am confident that with all the possible
           treatment that's available, I have a chance."

United late for dealing  

                          Manchester United chairman Martin Edwards
                          has admitted that any attempt by manager Alex
                          Ferguson to strengthen the United ranks could
                          have come too late.
                          The reigning English champions picked up
                          several injury concerns during their elimination
                          from the Champions League by Monaco on
                          Wednesday evening.
                          And with Arsenal closing the gap on them at the
                          top of the Premiership, new faces are required
                          to plug the gaps to help capture the League title
                          for the third time in four years.
                          However, transfer deadline day is fast
                          approaching, leaving Ferguson little time to
                          manoeuvre to wheel and deal in the domestic
                          market.
                          Supremo Edwards said: 
                          "When you leave it this late clubs are looking
                          for championships and aren't going to sell
                          players to you."


           There has been growing unrest amongst supporters about certain
           individuals. 
           Teddy Sheringham isn't the fans' favourite at the moment by any
           means. And French striker Stephane Guivarc'h is starting to catch
           the attention of Britain's top clubs. The 5m-rated Auxerre star
           has scored 46 goals so far this season and could be the man on
           Ferguson's mind. Liverpool's Roy Evans watched the player in
           person on Tuesday evening.
           Elsewhere, hopes of bringing winger Keith Gillespie back to Old
           Trafford before the summer seem to be fading as Newcastle
           United start to become embroiled in a relegation dogfight.

Greetings

HELGI ADALSTEINSSON
Aalborg University    
helgi@business.auc.dk   
http://www.business.auc.dk/~helgi




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From: "Philip O'Brien" 
Subject:      Martin Edwards come on down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU

Wednesday night brought up a lot of talk amongst the gang that were in my
local pub Wednesday night. It seems the general concencous, at least with
any Man U fans I have talked to, that Martin Edwards and the PLC are money
grabbing bastards.

Edwards is someone that wont change the wage structure so we can buy big
name players like Ronaldo, Batistuta, Maldini etc etc etc.

He wont give the manager the money to buy players at the start of the
season, yet when it comes to the end of the season and a week before the
transfer deadline, Fergie can have a blank check and buy who he wants.

I'd say Martin Edwards shit his pants when the stock dropped Thursday, and I
for one am glad in a way. I hope he lost a fortune. The PLC and Edwards have
far too much of a grip on Fergie. He is one of the top managers in the
world, yet his wages are only average. I wouldnt be surprised if some
Italian or Spanish club fancied their chances of luring him away. We all
know that he desperately wants the Euro Cup added to his resume. What would
happens if Lippi leaves Juventus
next year and goes to Barcelona. Juventus beg Fergie to come to them, as
they have before, and offer him everything he needs to make his dream come
true.

Hmmm everyone will be flaming me saying how could I say these things and
call myself a United fan. Fergie leaving Old Trafford, never, he is too
loyal. Well loyal to Old Trafford and United he may be, but I dont think he
has any loyalties to Edwards and the PLC.

Even with a blank cheque its near the end of the season in most countries.
Teams are either fighting for survival at the bottom or battling for the top
honours. I dont think any team is going to let their top players leave now.
I would love to see Zidane at Old Trafford. But he is happy where he is,
besides, can you imagine Lippi saying, yes we are in the semi final of the
European Cup. Lets sell one of our best players. I dont think so.

Man U....6 pts ahead....+35GD.....Possible 21pts

Arsenal..6 pts behind. .+21GD.....Possible 30pts

May 10th News Headlines
Manchester United win 5th title in 6 years by 4 pts.




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From: Mike Keeley 
Subject:   Giggs's big goals this year
To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU

The argument has been raised that missing Cantona, and the way that he could
turn a draw to a win, and a loss into a draw, is staggering to our cause
this year.  While I will not disagree at all with that, I'm surprised that
nobody has mentioned this yet - there have been some matches this year that
our own Wizard has done some fine result-turning of his own:

-Juventus (H) 3-2 Giggs 90th minute cancelled out Zidane's FK moments later,
ensured a ManU win
-Aston Villa (H) 1-0 Giggs sent through wonderfully by Andy
-Tottenham (H) 2-0 Giggs only two goals of match, brilliant performance
-Derby (H) 2-0 Giggs goal and set up a D(e/i)nnnnis pennnnalty conversion.

Since he's gone down, we've taken 4 out of 12 pts in the League, and been
knocked out of the FA and European Cup.

Here's to our squad getting healthy ASAP!

P.S. My hat's off to the noisemakers at OT... came over the satellite loud
and clear.  Well done!
P.P.S. Updated remaining fixtures at
http://tekka.wwa.com/~mkeeley/remain.html
________________
Mike Keeley
Personal: mkeeley@wwa.com
Business: mkeeley@nfa.futures.org




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Friday, March 20, 1998 

Manchester United are attempting to sign Coventry
City's 5 million-rated forward Darren Huckerby before next Thursday's
deadline.

Old Trafford manager Alex Ferguson made his move after
the European Champions League exit against Monaco.

He believes England B and Under 21 cap Huckerby could give his
faltering side extra impetus in their attempt to land a fifth
Premiership title in six years.

Huckerby, who is 21, was snatched from Newcastle United for just 1m
in November 1996 and has scored a string of spectacular solo goals this
season. One of them came in the final minute against United in December
and condemned the champions to a 3-2 defeat at Highfield Road.

The deal could hinge on Coventry being able to
persuade Dion Dublin to sign a new contract, which would tie the former United
player to Highfield Road for the rest of his career. 
-- 

John Kellett cheers from the West coast of OZZ

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/1084/ Manchester United 
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From: Barry Leeming 
Subject: The New Manchester United Museum
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About 120 years ago the Newton Heath
Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Cricket and Football Club
was formed. As most United fans are aware, from these humble
beginings evolved the modern Manchester United (the old
Newton Heath name was dropped in 1902). 
                              
This spring a new 4m museum commemorating
United's proud history will be opened in the North Stand.
Almost every document and record of the club will be
installed in an archive room which will be open to the public. There
will also be the Man-U-Net, a revolutionary computer archive
facility which will enable users to search for information on any
player who has represented the club, conduct a United general
knowledge test and even design their own United kit. 
                              
Other displays, which are spread over a
massive three floor area, include an exhibition of United kit
throughout the ages, a trophy room and a special area devoted to
United's supporters. There will also be a special area devoted to
the Munich disaster. In view of the number of school parties
visiting Old Trafford the museum will contain a dedicated Education room. 
                              
The reason for the re-development was that the
original museum, which was opened in 1986, had become a
victim of its own success. In its first year it catered for
26,137 visitors; by 1996 this figure had increased to a massive 190,707 
                    
The club is always keen to hear from individuals who may have
items relating to individual players' careers, pre World War Two
first team and reserve programmes and youth team material. If
you have any items which you would be willing
to loan or donate contact either Mark Wylie or Zoe Makinson on
0161 930 2904. 
                              
The museum will be official opened by Pele on
11th April and thereafter will be open every day from 9.30am
to 9.00pm in the summer, and 9.30am to 5.00pm in the winter. 
                              
Enquiries & Tours: 0161 877 4002 

It's hard to believe that a players' strike over union membership threatened
the whole future of Manchester United. Without a team to
start the new season, the Club looked set to fold. At the last minute, the
F.A. gave in, the players remained in the union and the Club moved into the new
stadium at Old Trafford. The following season, 1910-11, we walked
away with the League Championship. The rest, as they say, is history. 
                       
At our new Museum and Tour Centre, you can discover
how the hopes and dreams of countless players and fans have made the
Club what it is today.

On a behind-the-scenes tour, you'll see there's more
to us than just football. Fans of all ages will relish the chance to sit in
Giggs' seat in the dressing room, be dazzled by our vast trophy collection and
soak up the atmosphere of the world's favourite football club. 
                       
We're open every day from 11 April 1998, from 9.30am-9.00pm (last tour 4.30pm).
Book now and see why Old Trafford is called the Theatre of Dreams.

It's more than a day out, it's a trip to the heart of
United. And these days, the only strikers you'll find are on the pitch. 

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