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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Thu Oct 15 06:17:09 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Mixed News by EUFA
3. E-mail assitance
4. History of Manchester United Part 2 1894
6. Info required on Sky subscription charges - important


Daily RED Trivia  Thu 15th October:

15th Oct 1892: Newton Heath register their first League victory in their history with a
 crushing 10-1 win against Wolverhampton Wanderers at North Road watched by 4,000. Bob
Donaldson 3, Willie Stewart 3, Adam Carson, Alf Farman, James Hendry and
Billy Hood shared the goals. Team was: Warner, Mitchell, Clements, Perrins, 
Stewart, Erentz, Farman, Hood, Donaldson, Carson, Hendry.

15th Oct 1971: Andy Cole born in Nottingham. Cole cost £7 Million from Newcastle United
and made his United debut against Blackburn Rovers in January 1995. He scored 
5 goals in a game against Ipswich Town in March 1995. A prolific goalscorer, 
he won  Premiership medals in 1996 and 1997,  and an FA Cup winners medal in
1996. Cole has scored 58  goals in 143 appearances for the Reds, and has won
2  caps for England. 

Barry Daily Comment:  

David Beckham had a good comeback for England last night although
the team was lacking in firing power up front. Report follows.

Next 4 games: 
Result/Fixture Index:

Sat 17/10 Wimbledon   (H) PL
Wed 21/10 Brondby     (A) CL
Sat 24/10 Derby       (A) PL
Wed 28/10 Bury        (H) LC (Worthington Cup)

UNITED Stats v Wimbledon are here:


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181
03/10/98    Southampton              Away     W  3-0     2    15,251

Champions league:               Next Match
Barcelona     2 Brondby 0       Brondby v Man Utd 21/10
Bayern Munich 2 Man Utd 2

Barcelona   2 1 1 0  5  3   4
Brĝndby     2 1 0 1  2  3   3
ManUnited   2 0 2 0  5  5   2
BMünchen    2 0 1 1  3  4   1


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Thursday 15 October1998 Subject: Mixed News by EUFA MANCHESTER UNITED have been given some mixed news by UEFA ahead of their Champions League tie with Brondby. United will be without midfielder Nicky Butt for next week's clash in Denmark after he was hit by a two-match ban, but manager Alex Ferguson has escaped scot free over his outburst against referee Stefano Braschi following last month's draw against Barcelona. Butt missed United's last match against Bayern Munich following his red card for handball against Barcelona and now UEFA has ruled that he is suspended for another game. The Red Devils are already without David Beckham, who is also banned after picking up his second yellow card, while goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel is struggling to recover from a stomach muscle injury. Ferguson could have been fined or hit with a touchline ban after his verbal attack on the Italian official, who awarded Barcelona two penalties and sent off Butt, but the disciplinary committee has decided not to take any action against the Scot.
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Wednesday 14 October 1998 Subject: ROY'S KEANE TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME Roy Keane has a chilling warning for the minnows of Malta ahead of their Euro 2000 qualifier in Dublin. The Republic of Ireland and Manchester United captain says: "I'm just about back to my best again - but you haven't seen the best of this Irish side yet." Keane, famed for his dynamic midfield qualities but infamous for a hot temper that has landed him with a rash of red and yellow cards, insists his wild days are behind him. When he came back from nine months out with a severe knee injury caused by his own reckless tackle in a Premiership clash with Leeds United, he inspired the Republic to a glorious 2-0 win over World Cup semi-finalists Croatia in the game of the European campaign a month ago. He was on target as well with the crucial second goal and was named man of the match, but Keane said: "Even though people gave myself and Mark Kinsella a lot of praise for our performance in midfield , I thought it was just, well, all right. "It was a great result but I know there's a lot of improvement to come in the team because we gave Croatia too many chances which they might have taken on another day. "It was always going to take me a while to be back to full tilt after the injury but I've spoken about it with Alex Ferguson and Brian Kidd at Old Trafford and we felt it would be about October befor e I was really back on my game. Hopefully, it is panning out that way. "Now I feel really fresh - especially after we had a week off when the game in Yugoslavia was called off. "We were all looking forward to it after beating Croatia but perhaps things have worked out in our favour. "Hopefully, that game will go ahead next month and if things go to plan we'll go into it with maximum points from the first two home games and feeling even more confident." Thurs morning 15/10 RESULT: Republic of Ireland 5 Malta 0
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Subject: E-mail assitance Dear all At the moment we need to get our message out to more people and get more responses to our requests to send letters faxes etc etc. All of you on the list below have either helped, offered to help, or have made an indication by their postings to the list, that they want to spend a little more time helping the campaign via the web. It would be a help if each of you below could either subscribe to another club's mail list or find a contact on that to put out our appeals for contact (fax Mandelson, OFT, DTI) etc, to keep those supporters better informed and to boost response. At the moment for example we need to urge supporters from all all clubs to contact their MP, Mandelson and the OFT (still) with their concerns too. I know 'joining' another club's list is a tough call(!) But to make that burden a little easier, I know dan@u.washington.edu,Internet is a Liverpool supporter and is on their List (Pause to allow abusive "Charlie Charlie What's the score" type e-mails to be written!) There are more than enough people to join the list of the Premiership's clubs, as well as some first, second (City!) and Scottish clubs. If anybody below has requisite language skills perhaps some European clubs' lists can be joined. If you are able to put the odd mail out on these lists then reply just to me, and I'll assign a club - purely to keep things simple, if you have a preference (eg you know a contact who can be relied on to forward messages, language skills etc) then indicate that, and I will do my best. Then its just a case of forwarding on any information you think is relevant together with the occasional "Call to arms" and update. Most clubs have been helpful, so I doubt they'll be too many abusive replies. We also need to get chapter and verse on how European clubs are run esp Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. This includes trying to find a contact we can call/ e-mail/ telephone direct. There IS a reason for this. Should anyone be able to spend a couple of hours surfing to this end then go ahead.... I hope no-one sees this e-mail as me trying to boss people about. Those on the list below (plus no doubt some others who I have missed) have in some way offered to help. Managing the human Net resource is something we've tried to steer clear of, for fear of looking like we're giving orders. However enough people have said "I want to do something more" or "We need leadership" to suggest offense won't be taken. If commitmnents etc mean you are unable to contribute at the moment than just ignore this mail, I will adjust the list accordingly. There are other more specific and time consuming tasks that we need some help with, again if you want to get involved with those then contact me or Duncan direct. The campaign is going very well, everybody is very confident that a referral is imminent, provided pressure can be maintained. Thanks for you help Nick
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Subject: History of Manchester United Part 2 1894 1894 didn't bring much joy to the Club nicknamed the Heathens, after just escaping relegation the previous season, there was to be no such luck in 1894. The club finished rock bottom of the league for the second season in a row after only winning six of their 30 matches. Again the football league operated a playoff to decide the relegation/promotion situation and this time it was Liverpool who provided the opposition. The Merseyside club had only been in existence for two years and that year had topped the second Div without losing a single match. They were the out and out favorites to win the match and true to form they ran out two goal winners in a match played at Blackburn in front of 6,000 fans. 1894 was notable for one other important match in our history, it was the first year the Manchester derby was played. It was not the first time the two clubs had met however having played each other many times in Manchester Cup and FA Cup ties, and even had faced each other in Football Alliance league play, but this was to be the first official Football league meeting of the two Manchester teams. The match was played at Ardwick (Hyde Road) which was City's home ground and drew a crowd of 15,000 which was the largest crowd to have watched a match in Manchester (excepting the 1893 Cup final which had been held at Fallowfield) The Heathens made short work of the City side and ran away with a 5-2 victory, the return match Newton Heath beat City again 4-1. The first match marked the debut of a player who was to go down in history as one of the greatest player in both clubs history, Billy Meredith played for City that day, but in later years he was to don the red shirt of Manchester United and cover himself in glory. To be continued DA
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Subject: UNCONVINCING ENGLAND FAIL TO SILENCE THE CRITICS GROUP 5: LUXEMBOURG 0 ENGLAND 3 P W D L F A Pts Poland 2 2 0 0 6 0 6 Sweden 2 2 0 0 3 1 6 England 3 1 1 1 2 2 4 Bulgaria 3 0 1 2 0 4 1 Luxembourg 2 0 0 2 0 5 0 ENGLAND skipper Alan Shearer joined the country's elite goalscorers in Luxembourg but that was about the only thing the fans had to cheer on another bitterly disappointing night. Although Glenn Hoddle's side got the three points they desperately needed, it was far from a convincing display and the scoreline was only given a respectable look thanks to Gareth Southgate's 87th minute goal. Shearer made no mistake from the penalty spot six minutes before half-time and his 22nd goal for England took him to 10th place in the all-time list of scorers, ahead of Kevin Keegan and Mick Channon. But for long periods of the match, his team lacked drive and urgency and the fans grew restless long before the final whistle and made their feelings clear with a chorus of boos and jeers. Shearer's strike partner Michael Owen had broken the deadlock after 19 minutes, but only after England had been given a massive let-off after when Danny Theis shot over the bar from the penalty shot. Only five minutes and 17 seconds had gone when Gareth Southgate tried to head a long ball forward back to David Seaman but it fell woefully short. Christophe Marcel pounced and Seaman brought him down just inside the penalty area as memories of the horror start in San Marino came back to haunt England. Greek referee Sotiris Vorgias pointed instantly to the spot but Theis wasted his chance of glory by firing yards over the bar. England, predictably, had made most of the early running and Luxembourg keeper Paul Koch needed two attempts to hold onto a low drive from Darren Anderton in the wet conditions. Anderton was preferred in the wide role with Beckham playing just inside him - the combination that had performed so well in the latter stages of the World Cup. And it was Beckham who had the first clear chance for England when he picked up on a loose ball and lashed it goalwards, only for Koch to turn it away. The Manchester United man's resultant corner was headed across goal by Rio Ferdinand, who pushed up into midfield after being unemployed in a back three, but neither Southgate nor Owen were able to apply the finishing touch. However, after 19 minutes England got the breakthrough they desperately needed, courtesy of Owen. Beckham and Anderton were involved in the build-up before the latter threaded a pass into the path of Owen. The Liverpool hitman coolly slipped the ball past Koch before clipping home a right-footed shot from a narrow angle for his fourth goal for his country. Just a minute later, Beckham marked his return from suspension by picking up the first yellow card of the game for handling the ball as he tried to go past a Luxembourg defender. That sort of needless caution will do nothing to endear the Old Trafford star to his international manager. But even after the initial breakthrough England struggled to make much of an impact in front of goal. Koch turned away a powerful cross from Beckham at full stretch, Anderton sliced a shot well wide and Beckham then curled a free-kick from a promising position well over the bar. Luxembourg were offering nothing as an attacking threat, although Seaman made a hash of holding on to a dipping 30-yard effort from Frank De Ville and was relieved that no other home player was following up. But England gave themselves some much needed breathing space six minutes before the interval through a penalty from Shearer, who previously had not had a sniff of a chance. Anderton's chip into the area was handled by Theis, the player who had earlier missed his own spot kick. There was no such disaster for Shearer who stepped up confidently to drill his shot into the left-hand corner of the net even though Koch guessed the right way. The second half began in quiet fashion with the sting having been taken out of proceedings after Shearer's goal just before the interval, although there was a burst of action, albeit brief, when Owen surged towards the Luxembourg box only to be brought down on the edge by Strasser. But Beckham again disappointed with the free-kick, drilling his shot straight into the defensive wall. In the 63rd minute, Hoddle made his first change of the evening, bringing off Anderton, who again looked less than fully fit, and replacing him with Robert Lee. But still there was little to enthuse about in England's performance despite all their territorial advantage and they seemed content with their two-goal lead while the fans spasmodically chanted ''boring, boring, Hoddle''. Beckham got into a threatening position on the right flank but when his eventual cross found Shearer, his downward header was comfortably saved by Koch. Ian Wright was brought into the action 14 minutes from time to try and inject some urgency into England's play but the crowd were becoming increasingly frustrated with the performance of Hoddle's side. The play in Luxembourg, judging from the chants in the terraces, had done little to appease the supporters after Saturday's poor showing against Bulgaria. The whole debacle was epitomised by Beckham's corner three minutes from time. It flew 20 yards up into the air and was heading towards the far touchline when Neville scrambled to keep it in play nearer the halfway line than the goal. And Beckham is England's dead-ball expert! In injury time, England regained a little lost pride with Southgate claiming his first international goal. At last Neville delivered a quality centre from the left, Southgate mistimed his header but the Aston Villa defender made no mistake rifling home from close range when the ball bounced backl off Sol Campbell. Although that late goal makes the scoreline look a little healthier it will have done nothing to convince his doubters that Hoddle is on the right road towards Euro 2000. Luxembourg: Koch, Feron, Funck, L. Deville, Strasser, Saibene, Theis (Holtz 60), F. Deville, Christophe (Amodio), Cardoni, Posing. Subs not used: Felgen, Beffort, Fernandes, Alverdi, Thill, England: Seaman, Ferdinand, P. Neville, Batty, Campbell, Southgate, Beckham, Anderton (Lee 63), Shearer, Owen, Scholes (Wright 76). Subs not used: Keown, Flowers, G. Neville, Butt, Dublin. Referee: S Vorgias (Greece) GROUP 5: BULGARIA 0 SWEDEN 1 Although England's unconvincing victory in Luxembourg was not the scoreline the country wanted last night, the worst result of the night for Glenn Hoddle came in Bulgaria where Sweden won 1-0, thanks to 62nd minute goals from Celtic's Henrik Larsson. His strike, set up by Arsenal's Fredrik Ljungberg, allowed the Swedes to go level with Poland as joint group leaders. Both sides have won their opening two fixtures and lead England by two points with a game in hand.
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Subject: Info required on Sky subscription charges - important Please could anyone who has the details of the Sky TV subscription charges for Live football post the information to this list. It is important as I want to get the facts right. This is my information but it may be slightly incorrect and I don't have any dates (not essential): When they first offered live League football it was free for Sky's subscribers, as it had been previously on ITV/BBC. Then they charged 2.99 per month, then 7.99 and now you can only get the football as part of a bundle for 30.00 per month - 360 pounds a year. This is 4 times your TV license fee! How do you think they will treat football fans once they have the monopoly ownership of their club? Thanks for your cooperation. Duncan
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