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Date: Mon Oct 12 07:58:27 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. Survey Results from www.red11.org / ** IMPORTANT: NEW URL **
2. Dwight Yorke "speaks out"
3. Manchester United are being linked with Everton fullback Michael Ball.
4. Share Offer Rejection "Meeting" outside BSkyB's offices
5. UNITED OPPOSITION STARTS TO GROW
6. Sir Matt Busby "Reminders Of A Great Man"
7. Manchester United goalie to miss upcoming Switzerland match
8. England look to Beckham for salvation
9. BECKHAM RETURN WILL LIFT THE DOOM AND GLOOM
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Daily RED Trivia Mon 12th October:
12th Oct 1907: George Stacey made his debut against Newcastle United. The powerful Full-back
was signed from Barnsley for £200 and in his first season won a League Championship
medal. Another followed in 1911 and he also won an FA Cup Winners medal in 1909.
267 appearances and 9 goals between 1907-19.
12th Oct 1985: United beat Queens Park Rangers 2-0 at Old Trafford in a Division 1 game
watched by 48,845. Mark Hughes and Jesper Olsen scored for the Reds. Team was:
Bailey, Duxbury, Albiston, Whiteside, McGrath, Moran, Robson, Olsen, Hughes,
Stapleton, Barnes.
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Barry Daily Comment: NEWSPAPERS!
Saturday Headline:
Time for Redknapp to strike and leave Beckham eating his heart
SoccerNet 01:10 10-Oct-98
Sunday Headline!
England look to Beckham for salvation SportsWeb 12:15 11-Oct-98
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Next 4 games:
Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm
Sat 17/10 Wimbledon (H) PL
Wed 21/10 Brondby (A) CL
Sat 24/10 Derby (A) PL
Wed 28/10 Bury (H) LC (Worthington Cup)
UNITED Stats v Wimbledon are here:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/vswimbledon.htm
*** PL TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED ***
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/08/98 Leicester City Home D 2-2 11 55,052
22/08/98 West Ham United Away D 0-0 11 26,039
09/09/98 Charlton Athletic Home W 4-1 9 55,147
12/09/98 Coventry City Home W 2-0 5 55,193
20/09/98 Arsenal Away L 0-3 10 38,142
24/09/98 Liverpool Home W 2-0 3 55,181
03/10/98 Southampton Away W 3-0 2 15,251
Champions league:
Barcelona 2 Brondby 0
Bayern Munich 2 Man Utd 2
GROUP D P W D L GF GA PTS
Barcelona 2 1 1 0 5 3 4
Brøndby 2 1 0 1 2 3 3
ManUnited 2 0 2 0 5 5 2
BMünchen 2 0 1 1 3 4 1
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Subject: Survey Results from www.red11.org / ** IMPORTANT: NEW URL **
Results from www.red11.org Survey #21:
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Q: Which trophy are UNITED most likely to win this season?
European Cup: 24 20%
FA Cup: 11 9%
League Cup: 6 5%
Premiership 80 66% *
Total: 121 voted
Barry Comment:
A clear message from 121 REDS, Manchester Ubnited are perhaps good enough
to win the Premiership as a massive 66% voted for a home victory.
Only 20% voted for the BIG ONE.
The European Cup must now be Alex Ferguson's priority as it is 30 years ago
that the club last won this coveted trophy. I say personally fingers crossed
...IF we can pass the preliminary task of this 3 B's Super Group:
"Bayern Barcelona Brondby" then we can go all the way! :)
New Survey Question:
**IMPORTANT** NEW URL: please vote here
http://www.red11.org/miva/survey.mv
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Q: IF UNITED buy a long term replacement for Schmeichel,
which keeper would you prefer?
Mark Bosnich (Aston Villa)
Mark Schwarzer (Middlesbrough)
Richard Wright (Ipswich)
Other
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Subject: Dwight Yorke "speaks out"
MANCHESTER UNITED striker Dwight Yorke has spoken of the
''disappointment'' he felt when he read the comments of former boss
John Gregory after his £12.6million switch from Aston Villa. Yorke
said: "When I read in the papers the next day that if he'd had a
gun he would have shot me, I was stunned. My decision was nothing
to do with the new manager, his personality or his coaching style.
It was just the way I felt, and I did have an agreement with Brian Little,''
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Subject: Manchester United are being linked with Everton fullback Michael Ball.
United to play Ball? ««
Manchester United are being linked with a move for young
Everton fullback Michael Ball. The England under 21
international has impressed since breaking into the
Toffee's first team but Alex Ferguson could face a battle with Arsenal.
Ball, 19, would be seen as an ideal replacement for Nigel
Winterburn as Arsene Wenger begins to think about
overhauling his ageing defence.
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Subject: Share Offer Rejection "Meeting" outside BSkyB's offices
Monday 12.00 Whitworth St West
There will be a Share Offer Rejection "Meeting" outside BSkyB's offices on
Monday at 12.00 noon in Whitworth St West. There is some dispute abot the
number but it's either 35 - 37 or 43 - 47 Whitworth St. West in central
Manchester. I can't find them in the phone book so I can't check this now -
however I know others on the lists have the correct info so please post it
here. You'll be able find it anyway - they'll be a group of reprobates
gathered round an upturned Sky satellite dish on legs! Now what use could
that be put too?
The meeting is a press photo opportunity to push home the message that you
do not have to sell your shares. The offer document states only 3 options
are open to you - all of these entail giving up your shares. It is very
important that all shareholders understand they can reject the offer and
keep their shares by just ignoring it. You could of course put the freepost
envelope to good use if there is any message or anything you wish to send
back to them - within the law of course.
Anyone who has a share offer document from BSkyB who wishes to register
their feelings should turn up with it. Even if you don't have one, many have
been handed in already for this ceremony so if you want to help or just get
your mug in the papers / TV get yourself down there.
Duncan
Duncan Drasdo (These are my own opinions - I am not an official spokesperson
for IMUSA)
IMUSA - Independent Manchester United Supporters Association - opposes the
BSkyB takeover of MUFC
IMUSA website - www.imusa.org IMUSA discussion mailing list
To subscribe, send a message to imusa-subscribe@egroups.com
or go to the home page at http://www.eGroups.com/list/imusa or www.imusa.org
Virtual Manchester -www.manchester.com - sign the email petition
Try this if you need a laugh:
http://www.urban75.com/Punch/murdoch.html
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Subject: UNITED OPPOSITION STARTS TO GROW
For information: copied without permission from the Sunday Independent 11
October 1998
UNITED OPPOSITION STARTS TO GROW
A broad front against Edwards' expansionist plans is emerging. by Tim Collings
Manchester united and the media have always danced happily together. But
not any more. rupert Murdoch's takeover bid and the club's possible move to
join Media Partners' planned European Football League threaten to turn the
Theatre of Dreams into a venue for the worst of futuristic footballing
nightmares.
Just picture it: a club with few traditional loyal supporters regularly
playing over-exposed foreign rivals in an empty stadium for the benefit of
pay-per-view armchair viewers with no allegience to the history, passion or
traditions of United.
That, in part at least, is the bleak vision according both to United
shareholders and fans working to block BSkyB's £623m bid and also many
Premiership clubs, who are growing tired of the United boardroom's
perceived disdainful arrogance towards them.
As the latest chapters in what now threatens to become an epic tale of
ambition, chicanery, greed and sheer folly unfolded in Lisbon and London
last week, it was the Football Association who made the most decisive move
by urging the Office of Fair Trading to block the Murdoch bid.
The FA's letter, revealed by chairman Keith Wiseman the day after UEFA
announced their plans for a revamped 32 club Champions' League next year,
was oone of the 350 submissions by the OFT who have extended, until 2
November, their deadline for their review of the case. Then they will
report their findings to Peter Mandelson, the Secretary of Sate at the
Department of Trade and Industry.
"I can't understand it all," Wiseman said, "Football and television have
been getting closer. But you cannot see these media organisations acting in
the interests of the game. That is our job at the FA.
"They are there to make money. I think Manchester United are nothing
without the clubs they play against. The strength of other clubs has to be
kept to a reasonable level. If Manchester united beat everyone 10-0 every
weekend, it wouldn't be long before nobody turned out to watch."
The FA blow was well-aimed. Encouraged by it, the Shareholders United
Against Murdoch group followed up with another designed to delay the bid's
progress further. All this at a time when the club's chairman Martin
Edwards was again being closely linked with the Media Partners' proposals,
supported by Real Madrid and, it is understood, possibly five other leading
European clubs.
No sooner had Media Partners' president Rodolfo Hecht said on Thursday that
he expected "both Manchester United and Arsenal to be back in our project
very soon" than SUAM were claiming on Friday that BSkyB's offer docum,ent
was incomprehensible, misleading and in need of an overhaul under
instruction from the Takeover Panel.
"Many shareholders were misled into thinking they had only three options -
all of which involved selling their shares to BSKYB," said SUAM's
spokesman, Professor Jonathan Michie. "Shareholders have evry right to keep
their shares in Manchester United and there is no reason at all why they
should hand the club over to BSkyB."
BSkyB dismissed the criticisms. "All these publications are goverenedf by
strict rules which we have to comply," said the spokesman. "There is no
suggestion that we have not. It is a document offering to buy something -
someone's shares. That is the whole basis of it."
United stretched on all fronts from Murdoch to Munich, have every reason to
ask for a breather. But they are unlikely to get one until all is finally
resolved by Mandelson and the next meeting of the UEFA task force scheduled
for Jerusalem on 10 December.
This last will see European football's governing body finally reveal their
hand on detailed income proposals to the biggest clubs in the new
Champions' League. If they pale against those on offer from Milan, United
could follow Ajax, Bayern Munich and the rest into the 21st century
techno-league.
The worst possible scenario from a traditionalis'a point of view, could see
United taken over 100 percent by Murdoch's BSkyB (a 90 percent takeover,
the least of SUAM's ambitions, would allow 10 percent of rebel shareholders
to retain some nuisance value), then buy the best players available and
seek to win the inaugural EFL in 2000-01.
In the best possible scenario, from the same viewpoint, SUAM will drag the
takeover out to the point at which it fails to go through and United stay
in the Premiership instead of asa Sheffield Wednesday's secretary Graham
Mackrell put it, "ending up playing Bayern Munich and Co every other week".
Many Premiership clubs preferred not to comment on the record when asked if
United's latest moves had put them beyond the pale, but Mackrell was
forthright and provocative. "I think the takeover will go through, but it
will leave the club facing a very delicate situation when it comes to
negotiations that relate to television. A fine line will have to be drawn
between the plc ownership and the club's interests," he said. "And don't
forget, their representative will sit down with those of 19 other clubs.
There will have to be some clarification."
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Subject: Sir Matt Busby "Reminders Of A Great Man"
League Champions 1964-65
http://www.red11.org/mufc/images/player/team64.jpg (Signed)
http://www.red11.org/mufc/busby.htm
Sir Matt Poem by Ethan Fry
Back in the days, when we were just another side,
and victory was just a daunting task
Sir Matt came to us, beaming with pride,
and gave us more than we could ask.
But on a snowy strip in Munich, many hearts were broken,
and we were reluctantly shot back in to the past.
Sir Matt, Sir Matt, you're a hero to us all,
You always knew what winning really meant;
Sir Matt, Sir Matt, you're a hero to us all,
Sorrow was the mood here when you went.
And on the Wembley ground, in 1968,
you raised the cup with great delight;
Just ten years prior, your hopes were dashed,
forced to realise the horrid, ultimate plight.
Sir Matt, Sir Matt, you're a hero to us all,
You'll always be a red to us and them;
Sir Matt, Sir Matt, you're a hero to us all,
We'll play in your defence, just tell us when.
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The story by Pete Hargreaves
http://www.personal.u-net.com/~cheswem/united~1.htm
The Busby Babes
http://www.red11.org/mufc/flower.htm
http://www.red11.org/mufc/munich.htm
http://www.red11.org/mufc/muw.htm
In Memory of
Munich,6th February 1958
The Flowers of Manchester
One cold and bitter Thursday in Munich, Germany,
Eight great football stalwarts conceded victory.
Eight men will never play again, who met destruction there,
The flowers of English football, the flowers of Manchester.
Matt Busby's boys were flying, returning from Belgrade,
This great United family all masters of their trade.
The pilot of the aircraft, the skipper Captain Thain,
Three times they tried to take off and twice turned back again.
The third time down the runway disaster followed close,
There was slush upon that runway and the aircraft never rose.
It ploughed into the marshy ground, it broke, it overturned.
And eight of that team were killed when the blazing wreckage burned.
Roger Byrne and Tommy Taylor, who were capped for England's
side, And Ireland's Billy Whelan and England's Geoff Bent
died. Mark Jones and Eddie Coleman and David Pegg also,
They all lost their lives as it ploughed on through the snow.
Big Duncan he went too, with an injury to his brain,
And Ireland's brave Jack Blanchflower will never play again.
The great Matt Busby lay there, the father of this team,
Three long months passed by before he saw his team again.
The trainer, coach and secretary and a member of the crew,
Eight great sporting journalists who with United flew,
And one of them was Big Swifty who we will ne'er forget,
The finest English 'keeper that ever graced a net.
Oh England's finest football team it's record truly great,
It's proud successes mocked by a cruel turn of fate.
Eight men will never play again who met destruction
there, The flowers of English football, the flowers of Manchester.
MUFC Hon. Executive CP Cheah
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Subject: England look to Beckham for salvation
By Robert Woodward
LONDON, Oct 11 - After a depressing 0-0 draw with Bulgaria
devoid of invention, England will welcome back their World Cup pariah David
Beckham with open arms for Wednesday's European championship qualifier against
Luxembourg.
Bulgaria's nine-man defence snuffed out England's much- vaunted strike pair Alan
Shearer and Michael Owen on Saturday and a midfield packed with attacking
players buzzed ineffectually for 90 minutes trying to find a way through.
Despite having possession for 75 percent of the game, England did not manage one
shot on goal in the second half and were booed off at the end by the 73,000
Wembley crowd.
"We are not happy with the way we performed and we don't want to play like that
again," said Hoddle, calling it the worst performance at Wembley in his 26 games in
charge.
The draw increased the pressure on Hoddle who has been heavily criticised for
off-field activities, including his reliance on a faith-healer, since England's World Cup
defeat by Argentina.
After their 2-1 defeat by Sweden, England have only one point from two games, like
Bulgaria, and Hoddle is already watering down his qualification hopes. Poland have
six points, after their 3-0 win on Saturday, from two games and Sweden three from
one.
"Two points have slipped by. We've still got time and we still feel we can qualify
either as winners or second," Hoddle said.
England need to find a midfield general and a cutting edge up front before the game
in Luxembourg, where a hatful of goals would improve morale and their chances of
making it to the finals in Belgium and the Netherlands.
"Their defence got the better of us and we must look at whether it was due to lack of
movement or poor passing," said Shearer. "Sometimes you have to say 'well done'
to the opposition because they cancelled us out."
Midfielder Beckham missed the Bulgarian and Sweden games through suspension
after being sent off against Argentina, a dismissal which turned him into a hate
figure overnight in England, but his passing ability was sorely missed down the right
at Wembley.
"Our main problem was midfield, we never really won the ball and we were very slow
in our build-up," Hoddle said. "We waited for things to happen rather than make
them happen."
England channelled everything down the left through Graeme Le Saux and Sol
Campbell, but Shearer and Owen were followed every step of the way by Rossen
Kirilov and Ivailo Yordanov and the final ball was almost always delivered too late.
With Paul Ince also missing aftr being sent off against Sweden, there was no player
with the natural ability or arrogance to drop a shoulder and attack the Bulgarian
defence head-on.
Beckham has both qualities, and should be given his head against Luxembourg, but
Hoddle may well decide to do the unthinkable and drop Owen for Teddy Sheringham
as the Owen/ Shearer partnership is yet to gel.
For Bulgaria, one point was what they came for after the humiliating 3-0 home
defeat by Poland which triggered the sacking of Hristo Bonev. Successor Dimitar
Dimitrov revamped the team and was rewarded with a whole-hearted performance.
"Even though we had a lot of young and new players they showed lots of character
and I'm very pleased with them," Dimitrov said.
"We tried to close the defensive gaps, our tactic was to neutralise Shearer and
Owen. I expected a little more pressure in our half but our players approached the
game very well tactically."
While Bulgaria's defence was superb, their attack looked lightweight despite the
efforts of hefty striker Marian Hristov and the skills of ageing captain Hristo
Stoichkov. Home fans will expect more thrust in the home game against Sweden on
Wednesday.
A smiling Dimitrov offered Hoddle his best wishes for the future. "England are a
fantastic team. They have a long time to correct their bad results and they can
qualify."
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Subject: BECKHAM RETURN WILL LIFT THE DOOM AND GLOOM
Gary Neville believes the return of David Beckham
can help lift the doom and gloom surrounding Glenn
Hoddle and England after the woeful goalless draw
with Bulgaria and the defeat by Sweden in the
opening qualifier; the two games the World Cup
villain has missed.
Neville admitted that England had 'let the nation
down' with their performance against the side that
had been walloped 3-0 at home by Poland in their
opening group match. But he's confident that
Hoddle's wounded army can rally in Luxembourg on
Wednesday.
And he feels Manchester United colleague Beckham
is the man to provide the creativity in midfield and
the chances for Alan Shearer and Michael Owen
that were patently lacking against Bulgaria and
Sweden.
Beckham knows he owes England something special
after his red card against Argentine in France and
Neville says: ''It's up to Glenn Hoddle whether
David plays but he is a quality player and having him
available for selection puts the manager in a
stronger position.
"David will be itching to be involved after missing
the last two games and he'll be keen to get out
there and create chances, perhaps take the odd
one himself and generally impose his quality on the
game."
England coach Hoddle, meanwhile, has told
Beckham he has 'nothing to prove' when he returns
from suspension this week. But that advice only
applies to his footballing ability. When it comes to
his temperament, Hoddle still has some nagging
doubts.
Beckham's red card for kicking out at Argentina's
Diego Simeone saw the 23-year-old widely
condemned for his fit of temper as England went
out of the competition on penalties and only an
unblemished performance in Luxembourg will keep
the critics from the door; for now.
Hoddle has paid careful attention to how Beckham
has coped with the pressures on him since his
return from France and has been impressed with
his performances and his attitude. But the coach is
forced to admit that a question mark remains over
Beckham's self-discipline on the pitch. ''He hasn't
got to prove anything to anybody in terms of his
performances,'' Hoddle said.
''What he has to prove maybe is if that situation
(against Argentina) happened again, he's learned
from it and he doesn't react in the same way.
That's all he's got to prove - nothing about his
performances, they've been spot on. I would say
95% of the time (this season), I've seen him cope
with a lot of situations that in the past could have
flared up. He's learning very quickly.
''He's a determined character, and you have to
channel that in the right way. He's trying to do that.
All the young Manchester United players get stuck
in and as long as it's channelled right, which David's
is at the moment, that's when you have a good
modern day midfield player.
''He's a talented lad. If we can guide him in the
right way, and he can learn from his adversity then
he's going to get better and better.''
TEAM TOTALS
ENGLAND v BULGARIA
Shot on Target 1 2
Shot off Target 7 1
Blocked Shot 1 1
England (0) 0 Bulgaria (0) 0
England: Seaman, Neville**, Hinchcliffe (Le Saux 35),
Lee, Campbell, Southgate, Anderton (Batty 67),
Redknapp, Shearer, Owen, Scholes** (Sheringham 76**)
Subs Not Used: Keown, Martyn, Butt, Wright
Booked: Anderton, Redknapp
Bulgaria: Zdravkov, Kichichev, Zagorchich, Naidenov,
Jordanov, Iankov, Kirilov, Stoichkov (Batchev 60),
Hristov (G Ivanov 90), Petkov, Iliev (Gruev 63)
Subs Not Used: Ivankov, Trendapilov, V Ivanov
Booked: Kichichev
Att: 72,974
Ref: Laszlo Vagner (Hungary)
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