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Date: Mon Dec 07 00:35:13 GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Re: MufcDailyNews www.red11.org Daily News: Sat Dec 5th
2. Shareholders United Against Murdoch nullSUAMnull
3. Just KIDDing
4. RYAN STEPS INTO KIDD'S SHOES
5. Kidd Praises Fergie (D.Mail)
6. Rummenigge Criticises Seedings (ET)

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Daily RED Trivia  Mon 7th December:

7/11/1939: Ian Ure born in Ayr. Ure came from Arsenal for £80,000 and made his United
 debut at Wolverhampton Wanderers in August 1969. The tall Centre-half appeared
 65 times and scored 1 goal between 1969-71, moving to St Mirren in August 1972.
 Ure won 11 caps for Scotland. He won a Scottish League Championship medal with 
 Dundee in 1962, and League Cup Finalists medals with Arsenal in 1968 and 1969.

1994: United beat Galatasaray (Turkey) 4-0 at Old Trafford in the Champions
  League with goals from Simon Davies, David Beckham, Roy Keane and
  Bulents (og) watched by 39,220. Team was: Walsh, G.Neville, Irwin, Bruce,
  Keane, Pallister, Cantona, Butt, McClair, Beckham, Davies.

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Barry Daily Comment:

FA CUP 3rd round draw!
Manchester United v Middlesboro
Bryan a happy man! ???


Remaining 1998 games: 

ALL Result/Fixture Index:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899z.htm

Wed  9/12 Bayern Munich (H) CL 19.45
Sat 12/12 Tottenham     (A) PL 15.00
Wed 16/12 Chelsea       (H) PL sky sports time 20.00
Sat 19/12 Middlesbrough (H) PL 15.00
Sat 26/12 Nottm Forest  (H) PL 15.00
Tue 29/12 Chelsea       (A) PL sky sports time 19.45 UK


UNITED Stats v Tottenham:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/vstottenham.htm

*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED  ***

Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181
03/10/98    Southampton              Away     W  3-0     2    15,251
17/10/98    Wimbledon                Home     W  5-1     2    55,265
24/10/98    Derby County             Away     D  1-1     2    30,867
31/10/98    Everton                  Away     W  4-1     2    40,079
08/11/98    Newcastle United         Home     D  0-0     3    55,174
14/11/98    Blackburn Rovers         Home     W  3-2     2    55,198
21/11/98    Sheffield Wednesday      Away     L  1-3     2    39,475
29/11/98    Leeds                    Home     W  3-2     2    55,172
05/12/98    Aston Villa              Away     D  1-1     2    39,241
 
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Champions League:
Group D         P  W  D  L  F  A   Pts
Bayern Munich   5  3  1  1  8  5  10   
Man United      5  2  3  0 19 10   9
Barcelona       5  1  2  2  9  9   5    
Brondby         5  1  0  4  4 16   3   

Sep 16 Brøndby         2-1 Bayern München
Sep 16 Man Utd         3-3 Barcelona
Sep 30 Barcelona       2-0 Brøndby
Sep 30 Bayern Munich   2-2 Man Utd
Oct 21 Brøndby         2-6 Man Utd
Oct 21 Bayern Munich   1-0 Barcelona 
Nov  4 Barcelona       1-2 Bayern Munich
Nov  4 Man Utd         5-0 Brøndby

Nov 25 Barcelona       3-3 Man Utd
Nov 25 Bayern Munich   2-0 Brøndby
    to play.....
Dec  9 Brøndby          v  Barcelona
Dec  9 Man Utd          v  Bayern Munich

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"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"


Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 05:32:55 -0500
From: Alex Thompson 
To: MufcDailyNews-owner@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [MufcDailyNews] www.red11.org Daily News: Sat Dec 5th

I don't like to say ditto too much, but what Paul Scully and Pete Hargreaves just
wrote, sums up my feelings in a nut-shell, not a nut-meg, all this crap about the
takeover etc. has almost made me puke, when Eric left I put it down to
individualism, lest it be forgotten Georgie didn't stay the full term either, and
we were still all right.  This is much more serious, not just because of the
timing, but because of the moral.  Anybody who has ever played on a team knows the
importance of the intangebilles, we have just lost the biggest one.  I watched the
game on Setanta today, we were horrible in all aspects, from imple passing to
running off the ball, and final delivery, If roy keane touched the ball more than
5 times in the second half, then I missed it, the team looked FLAT, and if they
continue in this vain it will be like the 80's all over again, i.e. I'll still be
supporting the team, but all the hanger's on will have gone and maybe the BskyB
interest too.
"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"



Subject: Shareholders United Against Murdoch [SUAM]
http://www.stopmurdoch.com/

BSkyB's aim is to take total control and
complete ownership of Manchester United. If
they get 90 per cent of the shares then by law
they are allowed to buy the rest by force. (They
would still be obliged to pay full price, though -
so there’s no financial danger in shareholders
holding out.)

BSkyB set a deadline of 26 October for United
shareholders to accept their initial offer. By this
deadline they had failed to get their 90 per cent.
Indeed, they had failed even to get 50 per cent.
Their grand total stood at less than 46 per cent.
And that includes the 17 per cent from the
Board, plus shares BSkyB that had bought
through open trading. So actual acceptances
from Manchester United shareholders were
astonishingly low. The overwhelming majority of
Manchester United shareholders failed to
accept the Murdoch bid.

Unfortunately, BSkyB plan to have another go
at taking over our club. But in the meantime the
Government, on the recommendation of the
Office of Fair Trading, want the whole proposed
deal investigated. The Monopolies and Mergers
Commission (MMC) has been instructed to
examine not only the threat to competition, but
also the wider public interest concerns. The
MMC must report by 12 March next year. We
hope the Government will then block BSkyB's
antics once and for all. This is just the latest
attempt by Murdoch to exploit sports fans and
misuse sports clubs in the process.

In the unlikely event of BSkyB being allowed to
renew their takeover attempt, then the last line
of defence is us, the shareholders. It will again
be vital that United shareholders reject BSkyB's
offer. Hold on to your Manchester United
shares. An independent Manchester United is
in the best interests of the club and
shareholders.
"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"



From:         Ian GRANT 
Subject:    Just KIDDing

When I write to the list it's when something about our club has moved me,
annoyed me, angered me or elated me to such a degree that I feel I must...
well...... tell you lot. I'm writing to the list this time because of
sadness. Sadness (and slight concern) at the departure of Brian Kidd.

Brian's contribution to United has been superb. Back in 1968, 30 years ago
on his 19th birthday, he scored the third goal in our only European Cup
victory. It would've been wonderful to have him on the staff when we win it
again.

Kidd spent 7 years as a United player, Fergie then gave him another chance
at the Theatre of Dreams when he appointed him a junior coach and director
of the school of excellence in 1988. In 1990 he became the youth development
officer and when Archie Knox left to go north of the border in 1991, Brian
was appointed Fergie's assistance.

I see it as no coincidence that the second great era in United's post-war
history came at a time when Brian was installed on the bench next to Fergie.
First it was Busby and Murphy, then is was Ferguson and Kidd. 7 years as an
assistant manager in which we won every domestic honour. December 3rd, 1998
was the end of an era - no doubt.

The ramifications of Kidd's departure will not be felt on the pitch in the
short-term. Success and failure comes in cyclic waves for football clubs.
Too much change hurt Liverpool's dominance of the 80's and just look at them
now. No, my concern for United comes in the longer term. The lack of
Schmeichal's presence in goal next year is another brick taken from the
wall. Talk of 'crisis' is ridiculous, but when we are shit again they'll be
a time when we look back and say "that was the turning point" - I just hope
yesterdays events aren't it.

Brian was loved by the playing staff. If you've read anything from Brian
McClair it's obvious. My one great short-term fear are for the United
careers of some of our fringe players. Players like Berg, May, Sheringham,
Cryuff and Ole. Blackburn have cash, Kidd wouldn't have taken the job
without assurances and these players know Brian Kidd, they know what it'd be
like to play under him. Bryan Robson took Clayton Blackmore and Gary Walsh,
I can't imagine Kidd's choice's will be of the same quality. By the same
token it's also true that Blackburn Rovers are not Manchester United.

With change also comes opportunity and already the (gutter) press are
speculating about the new United no.2 (the second best job in footy). It
would be great to have McClair or Bruce back, but I'd like the to see the
position given internally. Jimmy Ryan probably deserves it for all the
Pontins titles he's won. Alot of first team players have already worked with
him earlier in their careers and he would seem to provide the minimum
negative effect.

Will Brian Kidd succeed as Blackburn manager? I don't know. The bloke will
be in the limelight which is something he's avoided in the past, but he's
had 7 years experience at the best club in the world - and that's not going
to hurt his chances.

Copyright © 1998 Ian Grant
igrant@businessobjects.com
"Peter Schmeichel's last season at OT" Click on image for more!"



Subject: RYAN STEPS INTO KIDD'S SHOES

Manchester United reserve-team coach Jim Ryan has taken over as
temporary assistant boss.

Ryan has stepped into the void left by the departure of former
assistant Brian Kidd to take the Blackburn manager's job.

Ferguson had no hesitation in turning to Ryan, who had a spell in
charge of Luton at the start of the decade.

"I will take Jim Ryan with me tomorrow. Jim's a very experienced man
and he knows the club," said Ferguson.

Brian McClair, Steve Bruce, Mark McGhee and Alex McLeish have all been
linked with the job of becoming United's new number two, although
Ferguson says he will not be rushed in his search to make a permanent
appointment.

Kidd was offered more money in a last-ditch attempt to stop him taking
up the vacant Ewood Park post.

United chief executive Martin Edwards revealed the club tried to
persuade Kidd to stay on as assistant manager by dangling a new
contract in front of him - even though he only signed a four-year deal
in the summer.

But Edwards says Kidd's decision to leave Old Trafford after 20 years'
service as a player and coach had nothing to do with money.

"We did offer Brian more money," Edwards told the Manchester Evening
News. "We offered him a substantial package to stay at Old Trafford but
it became very obvious that this had nothing to do with his
remuneration. The simple fact is Brian wanted to become number one."
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Subject:  Kidd Praises Fergie (D.Mail)
Kidd praises former boss Ferguson

LONDON, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Former Manchester United assistant manager Brian
Kidd paid glowing tribute to ex-boss Alex Ferguson when he was formally
introduced by Blackburn Rovers as their new manager on Saturday.

Kidd on Thursday ended seven increasingly successful years as Ferguson's
right-hand man at Old Trafford to take over from Roy Hodgson at Blackburn,
who are bottom of the 20-team English premier league.

"I can't express in words what Alex Ferguson has been to me," Kidd said at a
news conference on Saturday a few hours before Blackburn's home league game
against Charlton.

"The responsibility he has given me over the years has become more and more.
It was not easy leaving United. It was emotional saying goodbye because it
has been a great part of my life."

Kidd said there was only one reason he had left the Old Trafford club and
that was "to pursue my career in football."

Ferguson said earlier on BBC television that United would be taking their
time over naming a replacement.

"There won't be anything done in a hurry," he said. ``It is an important
role, particularly with the size of the job here."

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Subject:   Rummenigge Criticises Seedings (ET)

Bayern say early clash of giants is a mistake
By Timothy Collings

THE momentous clash between Manchester United and Bayern Munich on Wednesday
may be a mouth-watering prospect, but it is a "premature final" that should
never have been, according to the Bavarian club's vice-president, Karl-Heinz
Rummenigge.

The former German international striker insists that proper seeding would
prevent any repeat of the "killer group" in which Barcelona have already
perished and the Old Trafford losers stand to be eliminated.

"This is the toughest group and this is the biggest game," said Rummenigge,
who together with Bayern president Franz Beckenbauer, manager Uli Hoeness
and youth coach Gerd MŸller forms arguably the most experienced and
medal-laden management team in world football.

"This is really the final. They are one of the top clubs and top teams in
Europe and we feel we are close to that level too. We should not be fighting
now, not like this, to go through. I hope we both qualify for the
quarter-finals."

In terms of sheer experience Bayern win hands down. Three-times winners,
they have played in 117 Champions' Cup encounters, winning 67 and losing 25.
Manchester United, champions in 1968, have played 74 games, won 41 and lost
17.

Between them, Bayern's golden quartet made 15 European Cup final appearances
(including the 1974 replay against Atletico Madrid), winning three of the
four in which they were involved. Rummenigge was, however, in the losing
side against Aston Villa in 1982, a defeat which has accentuated his
appreciation of English football. "I know that they will fight all the way,
they never give up and they are very competitive," he said. "It is always
the same."

Former Borussia Dortmund coach Ottmar Hitzfeld, who guided his previous club
past United to lift the trophy two seasons ago, has coaxed Bayern to the top
of the Bundesliga, suffering only two defeats on the way. They drew 2-2 away
to Vfl Bochum on Friday in their last league game, but Hitzfield admits
Wednesday will be different. "Bayern have not won the trophy since 1976 and
United since 1968, so it is a very important game for both clubs," he said.
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