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Date: Thu Apr 02 17:28:42 GMT+01:00 1998
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How about winning the last SIX game's on the trot!?
See you at Blackburn....

April 6:  Blackburn       (A)
April 10: Liverpool       (H)
April 18: Newcastle       (H)
April 27: Crystal Palace  (A)
May 4:    Leeds           (H)
May 10:   Barnsley        (A)

Cheers from Barry your editor.

This Issue:
1. Sing Your Hearts Out
2. Teamtalk News
3. Butt Interview
4. Arsenal's Short Fuse (D.Mail)
5. Pally Quotes


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From: "Coppack"  

Subject: Sing Your Hearts Out

It's now been more than 10 weeks since I left the great land of the United
Kingdom and those memories that I described a few weeks ago are still just
as strong now as they were then. I'm sure they'll stay as strong until the
day I return to stand on the forecourt at Old Trafford.  I envy every one
of you that are able to go and watch the team play week in - week out. I
just wish that everyone who is so lucky realises it.

The team needs as much support as possible and it annoys me that some
people go to the ground every week and just sit there and watch, mouths
closed, rotted to their seat. I experienced this when I saw United play
Aston Villa in December. I was in the "no noise' South Stand and the
atmosphere was terrible. (Of course being my first visit to the temple my
senses were in such a state of amazement that I thought that everything was
so brilliant). I started to jon in with the K-Stand singing the 'We are the
Manchester Boys' song and immediately about ten people turned round and
gave me this look as if to say, what do you think you're dong, this is a
football match, not a concert. 

I was unlucky enough to get tickets to see United at Highfield Road on the
28th December and the atmosphere there was 3000 times better than the home
match. I stood for the full ninety minutes with a huge group of other
United fans and sang my heart out for the lads all match. Now why can't
people at Old Trafford do that. When I hear people moaning at OT about how
crap Cole is and that we should sell Sheringham and the pies cost too much
I get really annoyed. Don't forget that there are millions, yes millions of
people who would give anything to be able to support the team and would be
willing to sing themselves hoarse for the Unites cause. 

So, to tall those List members who are lucky enough to attend the home
matches, I send you this message: Sing loud, sing proud and sing for the
full ninety minutes. It is so frustrating sitting on the other side of the
world, powerless to do anything to help the team that your life revolves
around. Take a minute to think about how painful it would be if you were
taken away from Old Trafford and were unable to attend any matches. Now,
hopefully you've considered this and realise how lucky you are. Take with
you the attitude that this could be your very last game you ever see, sing
your hearts out as if ther's no tomorrow.

							Nick Coppack

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:18:08 -0800
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From: J Callaghan  
Subject: Teamtalk News


Roman transfer battle ? «« 
United could be set to battle it out with Serie A side Roma this summer for
the signatures of a couple of Europe's most highly-rated hit-men.
Patrick Kluivert and Alan Shearer, both recently linked to United, are said
to be top of the Romans' list of close season targets, according to
newspaper sources in Italy on Wednesday.

Kluivert: linked again 
Kluivert, although expected to be on his way from AC Milan this summer, is
being tipped to quit Serie A altogether and could favour a move to England.
Shearer's availability appears to rest entirely on which division Newcastle
will be playing in next season, hardly diffusing any suspiscions that the
striker is settled at his club. 
If the 27-year-old is happy at St.James' Park then, it can be argued, why
hasn't he made a public statement of loyalty to end the speculation linking
him with a summer move ? 
However, nobody at TEAMtalk or United believes there is any chance of
Shearer being sold to the champions.


Sunderland bids a joke «« 
Viewers of the BBC's Premier Passions programme last night will have noted
two incredibly cheeky bids made by Sunderland for United players during the
course of last season.
The documentary series revealed how Peter Reid attempted to get Paul
Scholes at the start of the 96-97 season then made a swoop for Andy Cole
before the transfer deadline.
Alex Ferguson's reaction was not disclosed but was not expected to have
been broadcastable anyway.
According to one source on Wednesday, United have been linked to
Barcelona's Brazilian striker Rivaldo and AC Milan's star Marcel Desailly.
Rivaldo, who cost £12.5 million when he moved from Deportivo La Coruna, is
priced at £10 million by the article - clearly ridiculous.


Defender joins Cambridge «« 
United have sold former 'A' and 'B' team defender Andrew Duncan to
Cambridge where he had spent the last two months on loan.
The deal, reportedly worth £20,000, will see the 20-year-old pal of Philip
Neville's joining Cambridge permanently at the end of the season.


Butt on World Cup «« 
Nicky Butt has spoken of his desire to go to the World Cup with England
this summer while midfield colleague Paul Scholes' chances of being fit get
ever slimmer.
Scholes continues to delay an essential operation in order to help the
Reds' win the title, which decreases his chances of making the finals all
the time.
Meanwhile, Butt said: "I'm desperate to get to the World Cup and I'll play
my heart out for Manchester United to get there.
"But I have a very open mind about it all. Competition for places in the
squad is fierce and I wouldn't want to be the one making a decision on the
final 22 to go. Like any player I want to be in France, but if I don't get
selected I won't sulk about it. I'd rather be positive about the situation.
I've just turned 23 and time is still on my side. All I can do is play to
the best of my ability and hope I'm included."


PFA runners announced «« 
The nominations for the PFA Players Player of the Year award have been
There are six candidates and they are:
Dennis Bergkamp (Arsenal)
Dion Dublin (Coventry)
John Hartson (West Ham)
Michael Owen (Liverpool)

Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt are in contention for the Young Player of the
Year award.

A Manchester United is for life, not just for christmas.

If tomorrow was today, it would be yesterday.

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Subject:   Butt Interview


Manchester United’s Nicky Butt is quick to defend Manchester United’s faith
in youth, despite the disappointment of a European exit. Now he explains to
Football365 why he believes his national coach will put the same emphasis
on youth to bring home the World Cup this summer 

The strain on the calf that has kept Nicky Butt on the sidelines for the
last two games has certainly put pressure on the two managers most admiring
of the midfielder’s skills. England manager Glenn Hoddle was forced to
start his experimental game against Switzerland in Zurich without the
flame-haired Manchester United midfielder, while Butt’s club manager – the
equally fiery Alex Ferguson – had to make do without him as United scraped
home against Wimbledon at the weekend. 

How both sides could have done with Butt’s fearsome ball-winning skills and
ability to up the tempo of a game. England and United looked lacklustre
without the man who assumed the mantle of long-term injury victim Roy Keane
as the Old Trafford side’s main aggressor in the middle of the park. The
comparison with Keane is inevitable given the two players’ styles, of
course, but it’s one that Butt cares little for, despite the frequency with
which it’s mentioned: 

“I’m not Roy Keane’s replacement,” Butt says wearily. “I’m my own man.
We’ve played together in the same side for the past two or three years and
everyone knows that to lose him was a big blow. But it just goes to show
what strength we’ve got in this squad that we’ve been able to cope after
losing a world class player like him.” Some might suggest that ‘coping’ is
just about all Ferguson’s team is doing at the moment, but this might be
just a shade churlish. After all, United may have lost plenty of ground in
the title race to rivals Arsenal of late, but they’re still leading the

“I don’t think anyone goes out and consciously thinks about pressure,” he
explains when asked about the demands of being constant front runners.
“We’ve got a very big squad and one that’s versatile too. There’s a
collective spirit, a will to win, that runs right through the club. That’s
seen us through the difficult times in the past and that’s what we’re
relying on in the run-in to the Premiership title.” 

Butt looks on United’s injuries – especially his own – remarkably

“Injuries are bound to happen and in this day and age it’s very difficult
for a side to have any success without having a big squad to fall back on.
You have to be realistic in that even if you were lucky with injuries, you
can’t honestly expect a player to participate in over 60 games 

   and not be worn out. You can say we’ve been fortunate that our strength
in depth runs throughout the side.” 

Of course some might argue that it was the very lack of quality cover in
all departments that single-handedly dismantled United’s European challenge
this season, when many had been quick to champion the English champions’
credentials for winning the big one. Butt doesn’t see Ferguson’s youth
policy that way: 

“To be honest the biggest break I had at United was probably when the
‘three-foreigners’ ruling in Europe applied. Being young and English gave
me the chance to play in a European Cup game and I don’t think I would have
been playing at that level so soon otherwise. It helped me show what I
could do and as a result the gaffer had faith in me. It helped me grow up
quickly and although we were obviously disappointed to go out of the
competition this time, overall I think it’s been proved that blooding
players young has helped United.” 

Butt’s commanding presence as a central figure in the United engine room
has tended to obscure the fact that he’s still young and relatively

“A lot of people forget that I’m 23 and there were a lot of youngsters like
me who graduated into the United side at the same time. Some people have
lost sight of the fact that we’ve all grown up pretty quickly. Alex hasn’t
been frightened to give players without experience the chance to play at
the highest level and I’ve seen the same attitude in Glenn Hoddle too.” 

Where England is concerned, though, Butt is as philosophical about his
chances of making Hoddle’s World Cup squad as he is about dealing with the
expectations on his club side: 

“I’m desperate to go to the World Cup and I’ll play my heart out for
Manchester United to get there,” he explains. “But I have a very open mind
about it all. Competition for places in the squad is fierce and I wouldn’t
want to be the one making a decision on the final 22 to go. Like any player
I want to be in France, but if I don’t get selected I won’t sulk about it.
I’d rather be positive about the situation. I’ve just turned 23 and time is
still on my side. All I can do is play to the best of my ability and hope
I’m included. But if I’m not…” 

If he’s not, then Butt’s energies will be clearly be channelled into his
club game, without wasting any on unnecessary bitterness. And curiously
enough, that’s exactly the kind of attitude which Hoddle may well find
irresistible when he sits down with his pen and paper to make those crucial
decisions for the summe 

A Manchester United is for life, not just for christmas.

If tomorrow was today, it would be yesterday.

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From: Red Devil Marcus 
Subject:  Arsenal's Short Fuse (D.Mail)

Arsenal's thin red line between success and failure

Thursday, April 2, 1998

Arsene Wenger and his players appear to be coping admirably with the mind
game set them by Alex Ferguson. The nation's bookmakers agree, as the odds
once stacked so heavily in favour of Manchester United winning their fifth
championship in six years are being revised almost daily.

Arsenal continue to triumph under the extreme pressure of the Premiership
run-in and the signs are certainly looking good for a first title since

After all, Arsenal can be trusted not to concede goals.

Tuesday night's victory at Bolton, secured by Christopher Wreh's dazzling
strike, was their eighth successive league game in which they have kept a
clean sheet and meant that Premiership opposition have fired blanks against
them since January 17 in 13 hours and six minutes of football.

Arsenal can also be trusted to keep winning.

Tuesday's 1-0 scoreline saw them record their sixth win of a rampant
seven-match run which has taken them to within three points of United with
two games in hand and into Sunday's FA Cup semi-final with Wolves.

Arsenal can be trusted to be consistent.

While United have lost no fewer than seven league games, when the perceived
benchmark for championship success is six defeats, the Highbury club have
been beaten only four times.

But Arsenal cannot be trusted to control themselves.

It is their failure to exercise restraint in the heat of battle which now
poses the biggest question mark against them.

Perhaps it is no surprise that a team nicknamed the Gunners have a battle
mentality, but some might describe their game of crime and punishment as
misguided at best, dirty at worst.

Martin Keown's dismissal against Bolton for two bookable offences -
ironically only his second and third cautions in the Premiership this
season - took the number of Arsenal players who have seen red to seven.

Patrick Vieira was dismissed in a friendly before the campaign began and he
has subsequently been sent off twice. Dennis Bergkamp, who looks like Dutch
butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, has been dismissed twice and still has
two games of his second three-match suspension to serve.

The others to take the long walk have been Emmanuel Petit, for making
physical contact with referee Paul Durkin, and teenager Jason Crowe, sent
off in a Coca-Cola Cup tie with Birmingham.

In all, dismissals and the totting-up of yellow cards have forced 12 Arsenal
players to miss 39 games. The bookings of Keown and Steve Bould at the
Reebok Stadium took their Premiership tally of cautions to 62 with three red
cards, while in cup competitions hey have amassed another 25 cautions with
four more dismissals.

With another eight league games and at least one FA Cup match to go, the
statistics would suggest that a few more yet will visit the sin-bin.

Yet, at Old Trafford, only 48 cautions have been handed out to United
players during their long, hard slog of a season.

Not a bad record at a time when some referees have used matches as
hand-writing exercises and where often the slightest contact or
out-of-character rush of blood can build a yellow brick road to an early

United remain favourites to win the title at 7-4 on after the latest odds
were issued yesterday, while Arsenal are 5-4. But at Christmas, Ferguson's
seemingly omnipotent team were 14-1 on, while Wenger's side were rated 16-1

Arsenal's Double chances then were judged equally remote. You could get
118-1 on them to do that before January, now they are a mere 7-2.

The bookmakers may now feel that they should make yet another revision of
their odds on the evidence of Arsenal's disciplinary record which, if it is
not worrying Wenger, should be, for it will certainly be giving comfort to
his bitter rival.

One of Ferguson's greatest reasons for pride is that the players with the
competitive instincts of Nicky Butt, Gary Pallister and Phil Neville know
when they are treading the fine line between the extra tackle that will
constitute a first offence or the missed lunge that generally ends in red.

Butt and Phil Neville have only six cautions each, while Pallister had
received only three before being sidelined by the recurrence of back

This week, however, Keown became the fourth Arsenal central defender to
incur a suspension. Tony Adams has had a two-game ban, while Bould and
Gilles Grimandi received three-match suspensions.

The thin red line which has been so praised of late also has a merciless
streak, though Arsenal's penchant for tackling first and asking questions
later runs right through the side.

So far, they have coped with the failing, but for how much longer?

Bould, who faces a one-match ban after his yellow card on Tuesday, admitted
last night that nerves are also starting to play a big part in the push for
silverware. 'You get a feeling that you're close now and you've got double
nerves instead of your usual pre-match ones,' he said. 'One mistake and you
could blow it all. It's great and it's exciting.

'I don't think you can analyse and say if we do this - win here or there.
You don't read beyond the next game and we've got a big one coming up on
Sunday. We could do without a replay, that's for sure.'

It would appear that while Wenger may be tactically sound, he is neither
tough on crime nor on the causes of crime. He and his players may yet regret
that they have lived outside the law for too long.

The injury list

Lee Dixon: Injured hamstring during win over Sheffield Wednesday last
weekend. Expected to miss semi-final and Premiership games with Newcastle,
Blackburn and Wimbledon.

Ian Wright: Troublesome knee and groin injuries. Last start at Port Vale in
FA Cup game on January 14. Battling against the clock to return in time for
the Newcastle game.

Marc Overmars: Picked up an ankle injury at Bolton on Tuesday. Likely to
miss FA Cup semi-final and will be doubtful for Premiership match v
Newcastle United.

Dennis Bergkamp: Suspended for two further matches after elbowing West Ham's
Steve Lomas two weeks ago. Banned for FA Cup semi-final and Premiership
clash against Newcastle.

Martin Keown: The England man faces a one-match ban after being sent off for
two bookable offences at Bolton. Will miss London derby against Wimbledon at
Highbury on April 18.

Gilles Grimandi: Hurt an ankle at Bolton. Out of Villa Park semi-final
against Wolves and remains doubtful for Easter fixtures against Newcastle
and Blackburn.

Steve Bould: Veteran defender faces another ban - this time for just one
match - after being booked at the Reebok Stadium on Tuesday. Will miss derby
match against Wimbledon at Highbury.

Games to play: April 5: v Wolves (FA Cup semi-final, Villa Park); April 11:
v Newcastle United (h); April 13: Blackburn Rovers (a); April 18: Wimbledon
(h); April 25: Barnsley (a); April 29: Derby County (h); May 3: Everton (h);
May 6: Liverpool (a); May 10: Aston Villa (a).

   Marcus Lionel van Geyzel.

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Subject:  Pally Quotes

Double Danger For Reds
Pallister warns United not to rule out Liverpool threat
Exclusive by Stephen Wood and Joe Bernstein

Pallister.. in line for return
 GARY Pallister today warned Manchester United of an 11th-hour title
challenge from old rivals Liverpool.

And the big defender admits the next eight days could decide the destiny of
the Premiership.

United's comfortable lead has been whittled away during a miserable March
by Arsenal, and Arsene Wenger's men turned up the heat with a midweek win
at Bolton.

It left them three points behind the Reds with two games still in hand, and
everyone talking about a head-to-head over the last few weeks.

Liverpool, who have flattered to deceive once again this season, lie off
the pace in third today, nine points adrift of the champions.

But Pallister said: ``Forget the title battle being a two-horse race -
there are three contenders in my book.

``A lot of people have been talking about United and Arsenal recently, and
that's fair enough because the table shows we are out in front. But I
really don't think you can ignore Liverpool from the equation yet.

Be prepared for a grandstand finish

``Remember, they have to play both ourselves and Arsenal. Two key wins
there and they will fancy their chances, so in some ways they still have
the title destiny in their own hands.

``And with Steve McManaman and Michael Owen in their team, it would be daft
to rule them out. Hopefully, though, we can end their hopes by beating them
on Good Friday.''

Pally, 32, has been out with a back injury since January but has penciled
in a return for next week's crucial double-header with north west rivals -
first at Blackburn on Monday and then Liverpool at Old Trafford.

United picked up just four points from a possible 12 last month but
Pallister added: ``I said a few weeks ago that we never assumed the title
was ours and Arsenal's run has made that seem like wise words. But we are
still top and can go nine points clear if we win those next two big games.

``Another advantage is that Arsenal have games coming up thick and fast and
I know from experience how difficult it can be to keep up a consistent
level of performance when you seem to be playing two or three times a week.

``People might look at United's results recently and think `what is going
on?' The fact is we have had an injury crisis beyond anything we have ever
known at the club.

``You can't lose world-class players like Ryan Giggs, Peter Schmeichel and
Roy Keane without paying some sort of price. We have been digging out
results when we can but haven't been able to keep a rhythm going. Hopefully
things are starting to clear up on the injury front now.

``Whatever happens, it looks set for a grandstand finish and it's a strange
situation when the crowd are half watching your game and half trying to
find out the scores from other grounds.

``I admit curiosity gets the better of you when it comes down to the wire
and I'm sure we'll know what is happening to Arsenal and Liverpool if they
are our rivals in the last couple of weeks.''

A Manchester United is for life, not just for christmas.

If tomorrow was today, it would be yesterday.

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