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Date: Thurs Oct 1st GMT+00:00 1998
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Bayern and United draw 2-2 in emotional encounter 
2. Match Report from Munchen  Bayern Munich v Manchester United 2-2
4. Late strike denies United 
5. Munich - United TV report
7. NEW! Soccer Boards


Daily RED Trivia  Thurs 1st October:

1892: Billy Hood made his debut at West Bromwich Albion. A versatile player,
Hood scored twice in his first appearance in the Football Alliance, a 10-1 win
against Lincoln City in November 1891. He made 38 appearances between 1892-94,
scoring 6 goals.    

1997: United beat Juventus 3-2 at Old Trafford in a Champions League game
watched by 53,429. Teddy Sheringham, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs scored for
the Reds. Team was: Schmeichel, G.Neville, Irwin, Berg, Johnsen, Pallister,
Beckham, Butt (Scholes), Solskjaer (P.Neville),Sheringham, Giggs. 


Next 4 games: 
Result/Fixture Index:

Sat  3/10 Southampton (A) PL
Sat 17/10 Wimbledon   (H) PL
Wed 21/10 Brondby     (A) CL
Sat 24/10 Derby       (A) PL

UNITED Stats v Southampton are here:


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/08/98    Leicester City           Home     D  2-2    11    55,052
22/08/98    West Ham United          Away     D  0-0    11    26,039
09/09/98    Charlton Athletic        Home     W  4-1     9    55,147
12/09/98    Coventry City            Home     W  2-0     5    55,193
20/09/98    Arsenal                  Away     L  0-3    10    38,142
24/09/98    Liverpool                Home     W  2-0     3    55,181

     West Ham United   1-0   Southampton           23,153


Pos Team                  P   W   D   L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Aston Villa           7   5   2   0   8   1    7   17
 2  Derby County          7   3   3   1   6   3    3   12
 3  West Ham United       7   3   3   1   7   5    2   12
 4  Wimbledon             7   3   3   1  11   9    2   12
 5  Newcastle United      7   3   2   2  13   7    6   11
 6  Leeds United          7   2   5   0   8   4    4   11
 7  Manchester United     6   3   2   1  10   6    4   11
 8  Chelsea               6   3   2   1  10   7    3   11
 9  Liverpool             7   3   2   2  12   9    3   11
10  Arsenal               7   2   4   1   6   3    3   10
11  Sheffield Wednesday   7   3   0   4   8   5    3    9
12  Middlesbrough         7   2   3   2   8   8    0    9
13  Tottenham Hotspur     7   2   2   3   8  14   -6    8
14  Charlton Athletic     7   1   4   2  11  10    1    7
15  Everton               7   1   4   2   4   5   -1    7
16  Nottingham Forest     7   2   1   4   5   9   -4    7
17  Leicester City        7   1   3   3   6   8   -2    6
18  Blackburn Rovers      7   1   2   4   5  10   -5    5
19  Coventry City         7   1   2   4   4  12   -8    5
20  Southampton           7   0   1   6   3  18  -15    1

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Subject: Bayern and United draw 2-2 in emotional encounter MUNICH, Sept 30 - A late goal by Brazilian striker Giovane Elber allowed Bayern Munich to snatch a 2-2 draw at home to Manchester United in their Champions' League group D match on Wednesday. A minute's silence was observed before kickoff in tribute to the eight United players and 15 others who died in 1958 in Munich when the plane carrying the team home from a European quarter-final against Red Star Belgrade crashed on take-off after refuelling. United were heading for a win when Elber, who had already scored his side's opening goal, struck from close range in the dying seconds. Elber put Bayern in front in the 11th minute, beating United 'keeper Peter Schmeichel after a clever combination between Croatian midfielder Hasan Salihamidzic and striker Carsten Jancker. The vistors levelled on the half hour when David Beckham exploited a blunder by Lothar Matthaeus and hit a cross for Dwight Yorke to head home. Another mistake by a shaky Matthaeus allowed Yorke to feed Paul Scholes who gave United a 2-1 lead from inside the penalty area in the 49th minute. United and Bayern, two of Europe's top clubs, have jointly played over 450 matches in continental club competitions but had never met each other until Wednesday.
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Subject: Match Report from Munchen Bayern Munich v Manchester United 2-2 By David Anderson, PA Sport, Munich Dwight Yorke hauled Manchester United back into their Champions' League clash with Bayern Munich when he headed home his fourth goal of the season. United's record signing scored his first European goal for United when he connected with David Beckham's cross after 29 minutes. Yorke's strike brought United level after Brazilian Giovane Elber had fired the Germans ahead after 11 minutes in the Olympic Stadium. United were playing their first European match in Munich since the 1958 air crash and a minute's silence was observed before kick-off in memory of the victims. Bayern needed to beat United to revive their Champions' League hopes after losing at Brondby and they went straight on the attack. Gary Neville was forced to concede a corner in the second minute and sweeper Lothar Matthaus drove well wide as did Hasan Salihamidzic. Bayern opened the scoring after 11 minutes when Elber fired home from inside the six-yard box after a move involving himself, Carsten Jancker and Salihamidzic. Teddy Sheringham, making only his second start of the season, almost equalised when he glanced a header just wide. Phil Neville produced a vital clearing header to deny Stefan Effenberg, who was lurking at the back post, at the expense of a corner after 17 minutes. Roy Keane won a corner off Bixente Lizarazu, but Beckham's inswinger was headed away by Effenberg. Salihamidzic then made a hash of a great opportunity when he failed to connect with the ball when it fell to him unmarked at the back post. Sheringham went close again after 23 minutes when he forced a good stop from Oliver Kahn after Beckham had found him just inside the area from a corner. United deservedly equalised after 29 minutes when Sheringham released Beckham down the right and Yorke headed home his cross from inside the six-yard box. Bayern carved out a good opening in the 34th minute when Elber found Salihamidzic from Thomas Strunz's deep cross, but the Bosnian's shot did not trouble Peter Schmeichel. Beckham pressed the self-destruct button once again in the 39th minute when a foul on Effenberg earned him a second Champions' League booking. The England midfielder will now miss United's next group match against Brondby in Copenhagen in two weeks' time. Salihamidzic must have thought he had restored Bayern's lead three minutes before the interval when he received Elber's ball and turned and fired at close range at Schmeichel. But the Dane and the United defence managed to scramble the ball away for a corner. HT Bayern Munich 1 Manchester United 1 Bayern began the second half just as they had started the first and Lizarazu fired over from outside the area after United only half-cleared Effenberg's corner. United stunned Bayern when Paul Scholes put them ahead in the 48th minute. The England midfielder collected Yorke's header and as Matthaus hesitated he burst past Markus Babbel and into the Bayern box to score past Kahn. Bayern knew their Champions' League lives were on the line and Jens Jeremies unleashed a 20-yard drive at Schmeichel after 60 minutes as they tried to claw their way back. Bayern changed their front line when they took off Jancker and Salihamidzic and brought on Berkant Goktan and Ali Daei. Bayern Munich 2 Manchester United 2 But Bayern hit back in the last minute when from a long throw-in into the box Schmeichel had a rush of blood to the head. The Dane tried to climb over a ruck of players to punch clear but the ball bounced past him and Elber, despite a challenge from Sheringham, looked to have added the final touch as the ball bobbled into the net. PA Sporting Life
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Thursday 01 October 1998 Subject: SCHMEICHEL LETS IN BAYERN Peter Schmeichel produced an uncharacteristic blunder in the final minute to deny Manchester United all three priceless Champions' League points against Bayern Munich in the Olympic Stadium. United goalkeeper Schmeichel came for and missed Bixente Lizarazu's throw-in from the left and Brazilian Giovane Elber nodded in for his second goal of the night, although Teddy Sheringham appeared t o get the final touch, allowing the game to end 2-2. Victory would have put United in a commanding position in Group D - the so-called 'Group of Death' - but now Barcelona are setting the pace after a 2-0 win against Brondby. The Bundesliga side have scored an incredible 14 goals in their three home games this season and after 11 minutes they increased that tally to 15 against the run of play. United's pressure was rewarded with an equaliser on 29 minutes with a goal created by Beckham. United, who had opened their campaign with a 3-3 draw at home to Barcelona, stunned Bayern when Paul Scholes put them ahead in the 48th minute. Then came the equaliser with just six seconds of normal time left - yet there was still time for Sheringham to almost snatch a winner for United when his header was well saved.
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Subject: Late strike denies United David Lacey in Munich sees Elber snatch a vital point for Champions League: Bayern Munich 2 - 2 Manchester United Thursday October 1, 1998 An exceptional goal from Paul Scholes punished some muddled defending as Manchester United recovered bravely from conceding an early goal in the Olympic Stadium. But the lead that United staunchly defended for almost all the second half vanished in the 90th minute when Bayern's striker Giovane Elber equalised with his second goal of the night. The United goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel made a hash of a long throw-in from Bixente Lizarazu on the left and the Brazilian was at the far post to force the ball in. Then, just to add to the drama, in the dying seconds Teddy Sheringham had a point-blank header superbly saved by Oliver Kahn. Dwight Yorke had headed United level on the half-hour in a match not notable for efficient covering by either team. Alex Ferguson's decision to recall Sheringham as an attacking partner for Yorke was partly motivated by a desire for flexibility up front but was also prompted by an awareness of Bayern's strength in the air at free-kicks and corners. Sheringham was an extra counter to the threat of Stefan Effenberg and Carsten Jancker. From the start Jaap Stam found himself looking up to Jancker, who towered above everybody, although the German striker's first meaningful touch was a quick pass which sent Elber dashing at the United cover. An early break on the left by Jesper Blomqvist, playing instead of the injured Ryan Giggs, suggested that United would not be reluctant to spread their wings. But within 10 minutes Bayern had seized the initiative by practically walking through the United defence to score. A 40-yard pass from Effenberg found Elber in space on the left but with plenty of defenders barring the way to goal. Then, as the ball was fed in to Hasan Salihamidzic, United froze and allowed the Bosnian to touch a pass to Jancker who then turned to give Elber, now in front of goal, the simplest of chances. Four minutes later Sheringham rose well to meet David Beckham's free-kick and head the ball just wide of the far post. Bayern, however, had started to take a relaxed control with Effenberg and Jens Jeremies pressing forward from midfield to link up with the strikers. But United refused to take a back seat. Midway through the first half Beckham directed a corner from the right low to Sheringham, waiting on the near side of the penalty area, and his first-time shot was blocked by Lizarazu when for a moment it looked like an equaliser. United did not have to wait long for a goal. After 29 minutes one of Sheringham's cleverly-angled cushioned passes found Beckham clear and onside and from his centre, with the Bayern defence completely exposed, the unmarked Yorke headed the scores level. Now it was the turn of Bayern to look a trifle wan. It was a bad goal to give away as Beckham's headed interception of a clearance by Lothar Matthaus had caught them moving upfield, giving Sheringham time and space to set up Beckham for the cross. Matthaus, already on a yellow card in this tournament, had just received another for bringing down Blomqvist. As a result the former Germany captain will miss Bayern's next Champions League game at home to Barcelona. Sadly for United, though, Beckham will also be suspended for their next match at home to Brondby. It was the familiar story of rashness over reason. Beckham's foul on Effenberg was gratuitous, his second card as foregone a conclusion as his first had been for a similarly reckless tackle weeks ago in Lodz. Yet Bayern looked distinctly more vulnerable at the back and three minutes into the second half Scholes cracked open their defence with a remarkable piece of individual strength and persistence. Collecting the ball from Yorke's header, Scholes simply brushed Matthaus and Markus Babbel aside as he surged through the middle. Kahn still blocked Scholes's path but failed to stop him despite two attempts. Scholes then ran the ball over the line as Bayern gawped. Bayern Munich (3-4-3): Kahn; Babbel, Matthaus, Linke; Strunz, Jeremies, Effenberg, Lizarazu; Elber, Jancker, Salihamidzic. Manchester United: Schmeichel; P Neville, Stam, G Neville, Irwin; Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Blomqvist; Sheringham, Yorke. Referee: M Batta (France)
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From: Terry Dale Subject: Munich - United TV report At the end of this game everybody on the pitch appeared to be totally pissed off with the result, and I suspect all the fans were as well. Bayern needed to win this one whereas we should have won it. It was Barcelona all over again. The first surprise was the inclusion of Sherri and it turned out to be an inspired choice. While not exactly dominating the game, he played his part and put in quite a solid performance. Gazza and Stam were again very effective partners at the back along with Phil and Dinnniz. In midfield, Keane, Scholes and Becks all had good first-halfs. Dwight and Jesper were patchy. Schmikes was outstanding for 89 minutes and 59 seconds. We were playing in white again. Footballers are superstitious creatures and I can imagine them thinking that these white shirts might be spooked if we should lose yet another lead while wearing them. Bayern were in their Gestapo uniforms as usual. Maybe I've been watching too many World War 2 movies but those dark shirts with the red armband and football logo look suspiciously like something Hermann Goering might have put on to attend one of his Nazi rallies. But I digress. Before the kick-off there was a minute's silence for the Munich victims of '58, and it was pretty well observed by everyone, which is more than could have been said if this game had been held at Elland Road in front of the country's most shameless scum. We had a good opening 10 minutes, passing the ball around nicely and looking as if we were there to win, not just to scrape a draw. Just as I was starting to feel a little more confident, Dwight lost possession (not for the first or last time), the ball was swept down the field, and in a series of three passes within our penalty area, all three of them apparently offside, Bayern put the ball in the net against the run of play. Two questions arise. Will that linesman's bank balance shortly be boosted by lots of Deutschmarks, and how the hell could we have allowed them to make three passes, offside or otherwise, in our own area? That old Euro feeling ... another game to chase ... came flooding back. We fought back well and didn't lose our composure. Sherri had a header and shot blocked in quick succession, and then on 29 minutes Yorke headed in the equalizer. Becks had made it by intercepting a pass from the poisonous dwarf, Lothar Mattaeus, doing a neat one-two with Sherri, and then crossing an inch-perfect ball for Yorke to make his major contribution of the evening. We were certainly well worth the goal. Sadly, Becks was later booked for what was, I think, his first foul of the game and so we'll be missing his creativity for the Brondby game. The last few minutes of the first half added ten years to my life. (The last ten minutes of the second half added another ten. But the good news is I must now be old enough to qualify for an old-age pension.) Somehow, we managed to survive a series of corners and went in deservedly on level terms. At that stage, it was impossible to say who would end up winners. If we could keep the same momentum up front going and if Jaap could continue to be as dominating as he was, a draw was the least we could hope for. The teams came out again to fine Manchester weather. It was pouring down, but the Reds in the crowd were still in fine voice. You can't beat a good downpour for cheering up a Mancunian. Scholes certainly thought so. Within 4 minutes of the re-start we were in front. A cross from Gazza (I think) found Yorke's head and from there it fell to Scholes. There was a suspicion of handball as he went past the defender but his determination brought about the goal. >From now on, it was white-knuckle time. I seemed to be counting the minutes down one by one as Bayern started to press. Stam and Gazza were brilliant. I wonder if Fergie will give this partnership a chance to solidify even after Ronny recovers? While we looked fairly strong at the back at this stage, we were losing it in midfield, and almost nonexistent in attack. Dwight and Sherri were increasingly marginalised as Bayern took charge. The introduction of Jordi for Blomqvist looked odd at the time but Jordi once again did well showing determination and good dribbling skills. What a shocker as Jesper went off: with wet hair he looks just like Glenda Hoddle. Poor kid. Meanwhile, Dwight was looking decidely lightweight up front and his collection and distribution of the ball were disappointing. Still, he had scored one and had made the other so perhaps does not deserve too much criticism. For the last 20 minutes, Bayern had several gilt-edged chances but could not put any away. Apart from the incompetence of Elber and his mates in front of goal, Schmikes was another reason why we managed to keep them out. On 84 minutes, after another certain Bayern goal had been fluffed, I seriously considered leaving the room and coming back when it was all over. Then, what we all thought was inevitable finally happened, but I would never have suspected that Schmikes would be the cause. As we moved into injury time, the ball was thrown into the area and Schmikes, obviously feeling invincible with only seconds remaining, charged out to punch the ball away. He came nowhere near the ball which landed, it seemed to me, on Sherri's head and popped into the net. Elber claimed it, and Sherri will probably be grateful for that. Even after that, we still might have won it as their goalie made a good save from Sherri's header in the 92nd minute. Before the game, we all might have welcomed a draw. But having been so close to all three points yet again, the result is as disappointing as the Barca result. We should be at the top of the group with six points. Instead, we trail in third place with just two points out of six, and we still have the daunting task of visiting Barcelona. At this stage Barca look the most likely group winners but let's hope we can turn that around in the next two games against Brondby while Munich and Barcelona draw both their games. We ain't out of it yet, but the task hasn't got any easier either. _______________ Terry Saudi
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Subject: news KIDD'S WORLD LEAGUE VISION Comments: To: RED-DEVILS@PIPELINE.COM To: MUFC@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Wednesday 30 September 1998 Subject: KIDD'S WORLD LEAGUE VISION Manchester United assistant manager Brian Kidd insists there will not be a European Super League for the foreseeable future - but reckons a World League could be set up before the end of the century. Kidd came out in favour of a re-structuring of international club competitions in an interview with Match of the Day magazine. He said: "I don't think there will be a European Super League in my lifetime. What you will get is a World club league, and that will come in within two years." He added: "Of course, the attraction of a Champions' League would be the huge revenue and you can see the attraction - which fans wouldn't pay to watch United take on the giants of Europe? "Even pay-per-view is attractive if it's pitched right, but then so is United v Arsenal, and those games have history behind them as well." Kidd also offered his opinion on the long-running England and Eileen Drewery saga. "I'm a religious person, I go to church every week," he said. "But I'm not going to ram it down people's throats. It's a private thing, an individual belief. "But that's how I've been brought up - there are more important things than money, like playing well and having a good team spirit. Football's a team game after all."
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